Hey SNK, I was looking at the curved tray.

Which tray are you using in the reproduction hemi pan?
You have 4.500 stroke I presume?
What's your total fill and max rpm?

Pls feel free to PM if that is preferable.

The one I am doing has 2.200 journals.

Thx, Rich

Nice part, something to work with.
http://store.440source.com/Windage-Tray-Competition-Style/productinfo/127-1021/

The curved one from 440 source will not work with the hemi,440 six pack pan.

Thanks, good info.

Of course part of me wants to see how far off it is/whether I could work with it.

Nice! No adding 509 cam and 1.8 rockers for you. Going right for the jugular with the monster hemi, I like it! Looking forward to hearing how it turns out

I have a girdle and std stroke Milodon full length tray hanging on the wall if you want to mock stuff up.

That World block doesn't need a girdle. Should be good for a couple thousand HP as is.

Hey thanks. I put a production type MP tray in the mule 440 (I call it that because it's still kicking) and a milodon in the 451, but other than the deep milodon one....no extras. I might accept the tray loan even though the girdle won't be used. Will keep looking
at it and develop a plan. Of course, plans are always subject to change (This started as a low compression 528).

AndyF,

Thank you for this info, I bought the 440source welded aluminum valve covers and was wondering how exactly to handle this problem. I appreciate your knowledge and willingness to help people, i wish everyone on this board would follow your example. Sorry to the OP for the hijack

Just let me know.

Of course you don't need a girdle, just a possible means to an end. It would simply be for mock up, clearance check and maybe some ideas. I think the thickness of the girdle will give you everything your trying to accomplish. Full length tray, up tight to the rotating assy, hemi oil pan, and a nice fit in the car.

Just an idea.

collecting info.

Biggest detail is 1 and 3/16 stick out.
I'd like to create a little bit more space between the oil and the rods sticking out. With this pan and a 6qt fill, the oil seems a little too close to the rods for a windage tray/screen to even have much effect.

confirmed, the extra deep tray is no good with that pan.

I think what I'd like more is a 1"+ deeper repro pan, like 6".
I always believed that is what some of the f.a.s.t. cars appear to have...or used to...years ago I noticed some of them hang down below the K member but only slightly. Or alternately, I could shorten a 7" pan which would be easier because the sump is more squared off on most of them.

It has light interference at the pickup tube adapter, I think I can fix that. Although external is so easy with this block because of the hole in front, it's tempting to try that instead.

Will brainstorm awhile longer. I know I don't want a super stock pan with the center link poking through it.

Hey no need to apologize, pick up any ideas you possibly can from any source, it's all good.

I ran AN lines to a breather tank on my Wedge engine back in 2001

Over a period of time, though, I got tired of the clutter underhood and found it was not needed on that engine, tested up to 7000. Instead I went to OEM replacement 1970 era grommets and matching OE style breathers. Those paired up with baffles inside the valve covers is all it seems to need. But...that was a 3.75 stroke engine.....

Thank you very much.

Here's a link to a previous post about oil pickup clearance.

There are links in the posts and some pics.

https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/ubbt...tml#Post1266967

LOL, yes I know. And c'mon now...you know that I know

Just being diplomatic for a second.

thanks

It looks like you want to go very fast Zippy !! Good luck with the build. Ron

Nice info in your oil pan pic. Thanks.

For oil to rotating assy clearance, the 4.50 stroke is probably only 5/16" lower (closer) than a std stroke 440 if you're using the 2.20 rod journal.

Zippy,

I had commented on someone else's build that from their pics the windage tray itself was going to be sitting at the oil level....then some other poster pointed out that the oil will not be at that level while the motor is running. I understand deep pans help, but it is worth considering that you may have more separation than you are thinking.

Dave

FWIW, I like to consider that too (i.e. the level will be lower when the motor is running), and that it is not sitting level either. I figure that if the oil is at the crank at the back of the motor when stationary and not running, and if the tray is up close to the crank, it'll all be good. No proof though.

I will say that with full time unrestricted oiling to the valve gear, loose bearing clearances and 0W-30W oil, I've never had a problem with oil pressure up to 6800 rpm.