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Re: What tools do I need to set up a dana? [Re: Cab_Burge] #2589144
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Wow, thanks everyone for the tips a replies. Ill grab a manual and start getting more tools rounded up. Ill definetly get some new setup bearings. I have to change my gearing, and I want to do it myself. Lots of info here to digest.

Re: What tools do I need to set up a dana? [Re: Hot 340] #2589147
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After doing mine today here is what I found. First if someone would do the job correctly for $200 or less it's a bargin. Let me state I'm no Dana expert. But I have worked for over 35 years as a mechanic. Polishing the pinion at the front bearing location was the best 5 minutes spent. Adding (or removing) pinion shim and preload shim of the same thickness is pretty much linear to mantain preload. Adding .005 to one side and removing .005" from the other moves backlash .005". Have your shims laid out and marked so you're not digging through them each time you make a change. Measure your shim pack (don't let me tell you how many preload shims I swapped because I grabbed a .005 instead of a .015"), write it down as you go. The pinion depth tool isnt very accurate. 2nd time I've wasted time using it. Still had to move the pinion shim from .033" to .041". I have a hoist so that makes it nice. I do my own stuff because it's fun, I know what my true numbers are, and I'm cheap.
Doug
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Re: What tools do I need to set up a dana? [Re: 4406bbl] #2589152
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Originally Posted By 4406bbl
Do yourself a favor and go on u-tube and watch the jantz engineering videos on gear setup, best and fastest I have ever seen. Buy or make setup bearings, jantz has a video for that too. East coast gear has decent price on setup bearings, they are worth buying or making.

Carl Jantz sells the setup bearings


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Re: What tools do I need to set up a dana? [Re: dvw] #2589167
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[quote=dvw]After doing mine today here is what I found. First if someone would do the job correctly for $200 or less it's a bargin. Let me state I'm no Dana expert. But I have worked for over 35 years as a mechanic. Polishing the pinion at the front bearing location was the best 5 minutes spent. Adding (or removing) pinion shim and preload shim of the same thickness is pretty much linear to mantain preload. Adding .005 to one side and removing .005" from the other moves backlash .005". Have your shims laid out and marked so you're not digging through them each time you make a change. Measure your shim pack (don't let me tell you how many preload shims I swapped because I grabbed a .005 instead of a .015"), write it down as you go. The pinion depth tool isnt very accurate. 2nd time I've wasted time using it. Still had to move the pinion shim from .033" to .041". I have a hoist so that makes it nice. I do my own stuff because it's fun, I know what my true numbers are, and I'm cheap.
Doug





I like cheap. If I couldn’t do my own stuff I couldn’t or wouldn’t race. I get to teach myself how to do a Ford nine inch shortly as I need a higher gear for the heads up car. I will be saving the Dana info as sooner or later I’ll be doing one of those too.


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Re: What tools do I need to set up a dana? [Re: astjp2] #2589170
12/08/18 10:49 PM
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I always de-burr all my shims and mark them with a Sharpe after I measure them. I use a sharpening stone to de-burr the ring and pinion gears and spool.
As Doug said keep all your bearings and gears together if you are changing gears. To me its worth it to just buy another spool and keep the side bearings with the gears and old spool together. There is a lot of us that do this without a spreader but I always wonder how much easier it would be with a spreader especially with a 40 pound Power-Lock unit instead of a 15 pound spool work

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Re: What tools do I need to set up a dana? [Re: Hot 340] #2589221
12/09/18 12:50 AM
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You will wonder why you did not buy a spreader sooner. The cheap ebay ones work perfect. Marked shims, setup bearings, a yoke eliminator sleeve for setup and a spreader make it easy. I give up on pinion depth measure, my last new dana brand pinion was marked zero, but still ended up with .010 less shim. The $29 ratech tool was very accurate with this pinion in this housing. The tools will get it close, slip bearings allow you to get that pattern perfect. I find even though slips are a time saver you will spend the same time on the rearend, but will get it right, not just say good enough.

Re: What tools do I need to set up a dana? [Re: pittsburghracer] #2589223
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Originally Posted By pittsburghracer
[quote=dvw]After doing mine today here is what I found. First if someone would do the job correctly for $200 or less it's a bargin. Let me state I'm no Dana expert. But I have worked for over 35 years as a mechanic. Polishing the pinion at the front bearing location was the best 5 minutes spent. Adding (or removing) pinion shim and preload shim of the same thickness is pretty much linear to mantain preload. Adding .005 to one side and removing .005" from the other moves backlash .005". Have your shims laid out and marked so you're not digging through them each time you make a change. Measure your shim pack (don't let me tell you how many preload shims I swapped because I grabbed a .005 instead of a .015"), write it down as you go. The pinion depth tool isnt very accurate. 2nd time I've wasted time using it. Still had to move the pinion shim from .033" to .041". I have a hoist so that makes it nice. I do my own stuff because it's fun, I know what my true numbers are, and I'm cheap.
Doug





I like cheap. If I couldn’t do my own stuff I couldn’t or wouldn’t race. I get to teach myself how to do a Ford nine inch shortly as I need a higher gear for the heads up car. I will be saving the Dana info as sooner or later I’ll be doing one of those too.





You will have no problems with a 9", they are simple to set up. After doing danas I look forward to doing a 9, it is like going on vacation.

Re: What tools do I need to set up a dana? [Re: 4406bbl] #2589225
12/09/18 01:28 AM
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You will have no problems with a 9", they are simple to set up. After doing danas I look forward to doing a 9, it is like going on vacation.

Setting up a 9 is almost fun compared to a Dana I only charge $100 to set up a 9 because I can have them ready in about an hour and a half.

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Re: What tools do I need to set up a dana? [Re: Hot 340] #2590001
12/10/18 07:47 PM
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Here are a couple tools I made for my Dana setup:

The case spreader is made out of .500"x2.50"x16" mild plate steel and .500" fine all thread.

Dana case spreader (2).jpegDana pinion holder (2).jpeg
Re: What tools do I need to set up a dana? [Re: Hot 340] #2590119
12/10/18 11:17 PM
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On the case spreader, it may depend on who worked on it before you.
The diff in my Dana 60 was in there super tight. The bearings looked like that had gotten pretty hot too. They also must have lost a cap bolt as only 3 matched, the 4th looked like a used head bolt. I replaced the cap bolts with the ARP stud kit.

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