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Re: Easiest way to find TDC without removing timing cover [Re: RapidRobert] #258881
03/19/09 04:42 PM
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That's if the balancer is not off. Using your method, if you used the tool above, and if the balancer is indeed off, you could continue to screw the bolt in and if it did not stop it would fall into the cylinder.

Go drink some coffee


Allen Here's a novel idea, let's not throw a bunch of parts at the car hoping it will fix the problem and instead spend a little time diagnosing it first. Life was a little easier when I was just a wrench.
Re: Easiest way to find TDC without removing timing cover [Re: HealthServices] #258882
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I kind of figured that I would put it at 10 BTDC and look in the hole to see how close the piston actually was before putting the stop in. Heck I may just crank slowly and stick a pencil in there or something just to see how close the mark on the balancer shows at zero. It's either gonna be close or not.


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Re: Easiest way to find TDC without removing timing cover [Re: W5Duster436] #258883
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Top 5 degrees either way of tdc is hard to see or feel. Don't do what another member did in a past post and broke his pencil in there.


Allen Here's a novel idea, let's not throw a bunch of parts at the car hoping it will fix the problem and instead spend a little time diagnosing it first. Life was a little easier when I was just a wrench.
Re: Easiest way to find TDC without removing timing cover [Re: W5Duster436] #258884
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$8.95

Comp cam part number CCA-4795

Summit stocks it.

Order today get it this weekend.

The only mod I would do to it is put a lock nut on it and round the tip in a grinder. Do not put a rubber cap on it. If you back off the screw to remove the tool the cap will fall into the cylinder.

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Re: Easiest way to find TDC without removing timing cover [Re: HealthServices] #258885
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Top 5 degrees either way of tdc is hard to see or feel. Don't do what another member did in a past post and broke his pencil in there.




Point well taken.


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Re: Easiest way to find TDC without removing timing cover [Re: W5Duster436] #258886
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Top 5 degrees either way of tdc is hard to see or feel. Don't do what another member did in a past post and broke his pencil in there.




Point well taken.






Even though it's a little dull?


Allen Here's a novel idea, let's not throw a bunch of parts at the car hoping it will fix the problem and instead spend a little time diagnosing it first. Life was a little easier when I was just a wrench.
Re: Easiest way to find TDC without removing timing cover [Re: HealthServices] #258887
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That's if the balancer is not off. Using your method, if you used the tool above, and if the balancer is indeed off, you could continue to screw the bolt in and if it did not stop it would fall into the cylinder. Go drink some coffee


Correct, It's never going to end , I am getting humbled today but I think I probably need that as I have been a bit full of myself lately and when the student is ready the teacher will appear. Coffee will not touch this


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Re: Easiest way to find TDC without removing timing cover [Re: RapidRobert] #258888
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That's ok I'm getting slapped around pretty good this month outside of Moparts. That's why I rather be here today.


Allen Here's a novel idea, let's not throw a bunch of parts at the car hoping it will fix the problem and instead spend a little time diagnosing it first. Life was a little easier when I was just a wrench.
Re: Easiest way to find TDC without removing timing cover [Re: HealthServices] #258889
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That's ok I'm getting slapped around pretty good this month outside of Moparts. That's why I rather be here today.




Okay update.. It appears that the mark is fine and pretty much right on the money. What's really funny is the first time I bumped it to get close to TDC it landed smack dead on the 0 mark and I looked in the hole and it was right on top. Hand cranked it over and it immediately went on the down stroke.

Now's where the fun begins... I decided I had better take off the back bowl on the carb to verify that it had 80's in there and lo and behold what did I find? 86's!!

I put the original 78's from the front in and took it for a spin. I could definitely tell a big difference and it did hit 7K pretty good in first and took a good bit in 2nd to get there but it does only have 3.91's. Now I just need to recheck lash and watch the FP with a mechanical gauge while romping it. I also have a wideband setup coming to dial it in and hopefully will get this thing going great soon!

Thanks for all your help guys!


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Re: Easiest way to find TDC without removing timing cover [Re: W5Duster436] #258890
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Re: Easiest way to find TDC without removing timing cover [Re: W5Duster436] #258891
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That's ok I'm getting slapped around pretty good this month outside of Moparts. That's why I rather be here today.




Okay update.. It appears that the mark is fine and pretty much right on the money. What's really funny is the first time I bumped it to get close to TDC it landed smack dead on the 0 mark and I looked in the hole and it was right on top. Hand cranked it over and it immediately went on the down stroke.

Now's where the fun begins... I decided I had better take off the back bowl on the carb to verify that it had 80's in there and lo and behold what did I find? 86's!!

I put the original 78's from the front in and took it for a spin. I could definitely tell a big difference and it did hit 7K pretty good in first and took a good bit in 2nd to get there but it does only have 3.91's. Now I just need to recheck lash and watch the FP with a mechanical gauge while romping it. I also have a wideband setup coming to dial it in and hopefully will get this thing going great soon!

Thanks for all your help guys!





!!!! LISTEN !!!! Nobody pays us to come here and waste time typing out information that some of us learned the hard way so LISTEN UP!!!!


YOU CAN NOT CHECK TIMING MARK ACCURACY BY LOOKING IN A SPARK PLUG HOLE


Now your's may well be accurate but you haven't checked anything. That mark could be 10* or more of TDC and you wouldn't be able to tell just by looking

Re: Easiest way to find TDC without removing timing cover #258892
03/20/09 01:29 AM
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440sixpack, I'm with you...






























Many of us go on here for the easy answer to what sometimes seem like a series of complicated problems. Unfortunately the answer is not always what we want to hear.


What’s funny is if I had to check TDC on a Mopar with the tools I just spoke of, I would have been able to find TDC in less time than I spent on this thread.

Like 440 six mentioned TDC may as well be ok but not by looking down the spark plug hole.

Re: Easiest way to find TDC without removing timing cover [Re: HealthServices] #258893
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Re: Easiest way to find TDC without removing timing cover #258894
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!!!! LISTEN !!!! Nobody pays us to come here and waste time typing out information that some of us learned the hard way so LISTEN UP!!!!


YOU CAN NOT CHECK TIMING MARK ACCURACY BY LOOKING IN A SPARK PLUG HOLE


Now your's may well be accurate but you haven't checked anything. That mark could be 10* or more of TDC and you wouldn't be able to tell just by looking




Whoa easy guys!! Unfortunately I do not own my own mac tools truck and I don't have the stop and couldn't find one at any shop in town so ordered it from Summit yesterday. I should have stated that in the update post.

I'll still be checking it next week when the stop arrives. This was just a basic check to see if the harmonic balancer mark even showed up on timing tab at what "appeared" to be near the top on the compression stroke.

I will keep you all updated when the tool arrives and I sincerely appreciate everyone's input.


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Re: Easiest way to find TDC without removing timing cover [Re: W5Duster436] #258895
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im thinking its the springs myself. do a compression test and make sure the engine is still good. you probably need to freshen it up

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!!!! LISTEN !!!! Nobody pays us to come here and waste time typing out information that some of us learned the hard way so LISTEN UP!!!!
YOU CAN NOT CHECK TIMING MARK ACCURACY BY LOOKING IN A SPARK PLUG HOLE







Re: Easiest way to find TDC without removing timing cov [Re: 64Post] #258897
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Re: Easiest way to find TDC without removing timing cover [Re: aarcuda] #258898
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im thinking its the springs myself. do a compression test and make sure the engine is still good. you probably need to freshen it up




It is fresh.. about 700 miles on it.


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Re: Easiest way to find TDC without removing timing cover [Re: W5Duster436] #258899
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Unfortunately I do not own my own mac tools truck and I don't have the stop




You don't need a Mac tools truck. I thought I posted this earlier, it's EASY to make your own stop, especiall if you have a few tools, maybe a welder, tap and die set, or even some JB weld

Take an old plug

Hacksaw off the crimp where the porcelin meets the shell

Put the shell in the vise and drive out the insulator.

Now depending on welder, tap and die set, or JB weld, find a bolt that will go in/ clear through/ out the front. It's been a long time. Seems to me I used to "fit" a 3/8 nut in the rear of the shell and tack it in there, then run a tap clear through.

No reason you could not "test fit the stop in your engine, when you get the bolt a good length, just fill the shell with JB weld and forget about it for about a day.

Instant stop

Here's one I found on the www that someone made:



I'm not sure I like it, looks light it might "wiggle" some but you could build it this way and either let some of the bolt stick out the back and tack weld it in place, or once again, JB weld the thing

This is more like how I used to make mine:


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