Re: andy's AR Engineering motor plate
[Re: RustyM]
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No idea.
What I usually do is stack up the parts, take a caliper, open the jaws, put the pin in the hole, close the jaws to the desired stick-out and there is the length required. Probably need to round off to whatever's available. Need not be a lab quality caliper for that activity...el cheapo harbor freight or even a plastic one from the hardware store is fine.
Lacking a caliper and just wanting to measure, I'd stick a long screwdriver in the hole until it bottomed out... add however much stick-out you want, pull it out and measure with a tape, and there you go.
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Re: andy's AR Engineering motor plate
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No idea.
What I usually do is stack up the parts, take a caliper, open the jaws, put the pin in the hole, close the jaws to the desired stick-out and there is the length required. Probably need to round off to whatever's available. Need not be a lab quality caliper for that activity...el cheapo harbor freight or even a plastic one from the hardware store is fine.
Lacking a caliper and just wanting to measure, I'd stick a long screwdriver in the hole until it bottomed out... add however much stick-out you want, pull it out and measure with a tape, and there you go.
That's what I do.
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Re: andy's AR Engineering motor plate
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so I don't have to buy one odd length stud I mill that position of pump to the same height as the others. since im not using power strg its ok.
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Re: andy's AR Engineering motor plate
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11/05/18 08:07 PM
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Anyone know what length ARP studs to get for Andy's motor plate/ RB BLOCK / , 440 Source alum water pump housing?
Thanks Pretty sure they are 3.5" for the longest ones and 2.5 for the short ones. iirc
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Re: andy's AR Engineering motor plate
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11/05/18 11:44 PM
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Just a suggestion,
Don't use gaskets with a motor plate. Use silicone rtv, and tighten it as tight as you like. Using gaskets, you can only tighten the plate up so tight before the gaskets get pushed out. Chassis flex will get them one day too. I wish I read this a couple weeks ago! Thanks!
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Re: andy's AR Engineering motor plate
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Just a suggestion,
Don't use gaskets with a motor plate. Use silicone rtv, and tighten it as tight as you like. Using gaskets, you can only tighten the plate up so tight before the gaskets get pushed out. Chassis flex will get them one day too. Actually I o-ring the plate to the block - solves all the problems.
67 Coronet 500 9.610 @ 139.20 mph 67 Coronet 500 (street car) 14.82 @ 94 mph 69 GTX (clone) - build in progress......
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Re: andy's AR Engineering motor plate
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11/07/18 07:08 PM
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Re: andy's AR Engineering motor plate
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11/07/18 11:30 PM
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MarkZ528, that is a great idea!!
I agree with dthemi, RTV, no gaskets. The one time I tried gaskets it bit me in the burnout box.
I use one all-thread stud on each side of the water pump to help hold and align everything on assembly. Then the rest I just measure for bolts.
I also used 'Rivnuts' to mount the motor plate brackets to the frame, worked great on my mid 10 sec Duster.
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Re: andy's AR Engineering motor plate
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11/09/18 02:15 AM
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As for O-ring plates, Andy , maybe you could offer it as a option? On the gaskets, Years ago with elephant ears the gaskets would start leaking after a short time due to the engine torquing the plates back and forth.. I have never had a gasket leak on Andy's motor plates on either car. I use stock FelPro water pump gaskets.
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Re: andy's AR Engineering motor plate
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Just a suggestion,
Don't use gaskets with a motor plate. Use silicone rtv, and tighten it as tight as you like. Using gaskets, you can only tighten the plate up so tight before the gaskets get pushed out. Chassis flex will get them one day too. Actually I o-ring the plate to the block - solves all the problems. Looking at the picture , the o-ring depth looks pretty deep.
it's ok to butt heads, just don't do it with a butthead
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Re: andy's AR Engineering motor plate
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Just a suggestion,
Don't use gaskets with a motor plate. Use silicone rtv, and tighten it as tight as you like. Using gaskets, you can only tighten the plate up so tight before the gaskets get pushed out. Chassis flex will get them one day too. Actually I o-ring the plate to the block - solves all the problems. Looking at the picture , the o-ring depth looks pretty deep. The depth of the groove is based on the section of the o-ring. I'd suspect that they are using a pretty thick section on the o-ring to keep the thing strong enough to not get torn while stuff is moving around.
Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
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Re: andy's AR Engineering motor plate
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11/09/18 02:30 PM
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I o-ringed the AR376 SB plate. If you look close you can see that I o-ringed the timing cover also. It is an expensive process for billet parts. I'm not sure how the OEM's make the o-ring parts in production. They must have some special tooling to keep the cost down.
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Re: andy's AR Engineering motor plate
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Just a suggestion,
Don't use gaskets with a motor plate. Use silicone rtv, and tighten it as tight as you like. Using gaskets, you can only tighten the plate up so tight before the gaskets get pushed out. Chassis flex will get them one day too. Actually I o-ring the plate to the block - solves all the problems. Looking at the picture , the o-ring depth looks pretty deep. I'm an o-ring junkie. I o-ring anything that I can because its just so clean and does a great job of sealing. No mess to clean up when taking apart! I have yet to have anything leak that I have o-ringed as long as the o-rings are fresh (replaced the o-rings on the valve covers after about 12 years - they were due). There are several configurations of o-ring grooves. The one I use is quite simple but has served me well. The groove dimension is straight out of the Parker o-ring manual. The one negative on this type of groove is the o-ring is loose and you have to use a dab of grease to keep from falling out during installation. With my new cnc I am tempted to experiment with different types of grooves. Might on future projects.
67 Coronet 500 9.610 @ 139.20 mph 67 Coronet 500 (street car) 14.82 @ 94 mph 69 GTX (clone) - build in progress......
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Re: andy's AR Engineering motor plate
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11/10/18 03:41 PM
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I keep this in my phone, as I too, am an o ring junkie...
"use it 'till it breaks, replace as needed"
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Re: andy's AR Engineering motor plate
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11/10/18 05:02 PM
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The charts shown are correct for o rings and quad rings. O ring “dash” numbers are equivalent between the two. Back up rings also follow this numbering system. The dash number indicates size. The prefix to the dash number determines material and form. A great resource for o rings is McMaster Carr. You can find size, material, form on thier site, and the price for a typical bag of 50 rings is usually in the $7.00 range. Sorry if this derails the topic, but I thought it could be of use.
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Re: andy's AR Engineering motor plate
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After the machining process o-rings are a lot cheeper than gaskets .
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Re: andy's AR Engineering motor plate
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11/12/18 07:48 PM
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Andy - thank you very much! I had not seen that solution before and its looks great! I plan on getting one to try.
67 Coronet 500 9.610 @ 139.20 mph 67 Coronet 500 (street car) 14.82 @ 94 mph 69 GTX (clone) - build in progress......
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