Re: But But BUTT street racing is sooooo cool
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I'm amazed he was able to climb out.Saw that vid last night No street racing for me,,,,,,I need my CDL!
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After watching this several times I still can't figure out how this ended so well. Thank God it happened early in the run and stopped so quickly.
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Re: But But BUTT street racing is sooooo cool
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I'm no genius but why did they blur the guys face out we all know he's from New Orleans.. .. good thing the was able to walk away from that crash
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Re: But But BUTT street racing is sooooo cool
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Re: But But BUTT street racing is sooooo cool
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I saw a bunch of street race cars over the weekend, I kept thinking why wouldn't they at least have a bar??? Do they not where helmets? It looked like the nitrous bottle was bouncing around in that car like It was seat belted in or something.
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Re: But But BUTT street racing is sooooo cool
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Wow, that thing was gutted everywhere, no safety stuff at all, not even a helmet or jacket, hes lucky.
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Re: But But BUTT street racing is sooooo cool
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Almost a Darwin Award winner there... crazy he walked way from it with only the injuries he did.
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Wow, just.... wow. Tim
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Re: But But BUTT street racing is sooooo cool
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Anyone else notice 4 lug rear wheels?? So he cheaped out on the rear and axles etc--Maxed out on Bling front wheels and sooooo.... Roll bars do not make car faster-- Whew!!!
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Wow, just.... wow. Tim Same thing I said
"Just a Bracket car dressed up like a streetcar"
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Anyone else notice 4 lug rear wheels?? So he cheaped out on the rear and axles etc--Maxed out on Bling front wheels and sooooo.... Roll bars do not make car faster-- Whew!!! Gary Roe was running in the mid 8's 20+ years ago with 4 lug axles. and those aren't " bling" front wheels. those are race wheels. the whole purpose of a street race car, is to spend money making it fast. not pretty. not safe. there's plenty of tracks down south where that car would be fine to run, with no cage.
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That cat has nine lives, now 8.
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Whays the old saying The lord watchs out for fools.Rocky And small children, is the way I've always heard it.
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Re: But But BUTT street racing is sooooo cool
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Start of the video to top it off shows the car covered in moisture.
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Anyone else notice 4 lug rear wheels?? So he cheaped out on the rear and axles etc--Maxed out on Bling front wheels and sooooo.... Roll bars do not make car faster-- Whew!!! Gary Roe was running in the mid 8's 20+ years ago with 4 lug axles. and those aren't " bling" front wheels. those are race wheels. the whole purpose of a street race car, is to spend money making it fast. not pretty. not safe. there's plenty of tracks down south where that car would be fine to run, with no cage. OK OK exact proper decisions were made as to fast vs safe and you agree with all of them--dumbass still did not have a seat belt or helmet--you in for that too??? geez
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Re: But But BUTT street racing is sooooo cool
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I am guilty of running a car that should have a cage and I have been stopped but there is no way I would run a car with that wet air.
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Re: But But BUTT street racing is sooooo cool
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THIS fiasco reminds me of a Thursday nite/Friday morning race in the 'burbs of Detroit in the late 80's on I-275. We all roll out from the Denny's around midnite with about 6 pair of cars to race. First pair was Terry Irving a NOS 351 Cleveland Mustang - heated the tires - staged the car - left good but hit the button toooo early !!!!
He swerved JUST LIKE THAT guy but bounced off about 8 cars that were on the side watching the races l it took him 5 plus years to pay off all that damage. I don't think he ever street raced again.
There were other screwy instances there at other times .., I had one MEself ! lol
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Re: But But BUTT street racing is sooooo cool
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Anyone else notice 4 lug rear wheels?? So he cheaped out on the rear and axles etc--Maxed out on Bling front wheels and sooooo.... Roll bars do not make car faster-- Whew!!! Gary Roe was running in the mid 8's 20+ years ago with 4 lug axles. and those aren't " bling" front wheels. those are race wheels. the whole purpose of a street race car, is to spend money making it fast. not pretty. not safe. there's plenty of tracks down south where that car would be fine to run, with no cage. OK OK exact proper decisions were made as to fast vs safe and you agree with all of them--dumbass still did not have a seat belt or helmet--you in for that too??? geez His car, his life, his decision. Who am I to tell him what he should do?
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Anyone else notice 4 lug rear wheels?? So he cheaped out on the rear and axles etc--Maxed out on Bling front wheels and sooooo.... Roll bars do not make car faster-- Whew!!! Gary Roe was running in the mid 8's 20+ years ago with 4 lug axles. and those aren't " bling" front wheels. those are race wheels. the whole purpose of a street race car, is to spend money making it fast. not pretty. not safe. there's plenty of tracks down south where that car would be fine to run, with no cage. OK OK exact proper decisions were made as to fast vs safe and you agree with all of them--dumbass still did not have a seat belt or helmet--you in for that too??? geez His car, his life, his decision. Who am I to tell him what he should do? True, but the family he takes out when he hits their mini van didn’t choose to take that risk. I know the spot seemed reasonably safe for other traffic, but that is not true all the time.
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Re: But But BUTT street racing is sooooo cool
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I dont drink, but I dont hate people who do but I am aware of the stats around drinking and the crashes and deaths from it.
My point is statistically drinking and driving is far worse and cause far more harm then street racing, neither is right.
I dont hide the fact I street race and even with good equipment and a very rural place its still foolish to a point, kinda like the drinker saying "I take the back roads home". Still wrong on both fronts.
Our time here on this earth is not perfect, its not going to be perfect, and some say it wasnt made to be perfect,unfortunate things happen every day in every aspect of life.
Just like the current hurricane in Florida, very sad and unfortunate but people who live and build there know it can happen, are they foolish? No, just human.
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Anyone else notice 4 lug rear wheels?? So he cheaped out on the rear and axles etc--Maxed out on Bling front wheels and sooooo.... Roll bars do not make car faster-- Whew!!! My friend was in the 4.90's with 4 lugs............
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Dude didn't even have enough safety equipment to go to the grocery store............
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I too am guilty of not enuff safety equipment and why I may never track race again or for a long time.........Don't want to dress up like a fighter pilot to go 9's in a "street car"........... Yep, same for me.
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I'd like to know just how there getting by without the law around. Theres trafic on the road where all cars are parked. Forty years ago we felt lucky to make a pass or two in the middle of nowhere without the law breaking up the party.
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Alot of places they just make themselves known and folks clear out, some times they watch. Ive had a OD Officer friend ride with me and watch on many occasions. As long as no one is impaired there are some who understand its not the end of all things and in this day and age its just clean honest fun. Ive also been told the better places to run from a LEO and the best time to do it, one being Sunday afternoons during NFL time. A problem is only as big as some want to make out of it. I'd like to know just how there getting by without the law around. Theres trafic on the road where all cars are parked. Forty years ago we felt lucky to make a pass or two in the middle of nowhere without the law breaking up the party.
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Got in an argument with a guy about this incident. He told me, "it could have happened at the track too" No it wouldn't. The guy didn't even have a helmet, let alone the rest of the safety equipment required. I would think even the outlaw tracks require helmets
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Back in the day when I still was involved,,,,,didn't matter what color you were as long as the cash was GREEN!Just had to endure the hours of S-talk and hope a race would come of it
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Yes, BIG Willie from the brotherhood. He single handedly defused many a potential ethnic meltdown by bringing every concern and everyone to the neutrality of the starting line. Everyone took that leap of faith and nothing else petty mattered. Met him years ago at a "street race" here in the Mojave desert and he actually ran the program well, no bs and no fights or idiots allowed..........
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Ive not heard that in a while, you mean Big Willie's Brotherhood and I recall him having a S Bird? No Superbird for him It was a Daytona Charger that his wife raced I made a few time trial passes with my old M.W. stoker at his Wilmington track years ago. I may have been tried to be hustled by a few young black kids but no money was mentioned
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Two pages and not one comment that it was Mustang? LOL
It was a street racing punk in a Mustang that took us out while driving home from the track a couple years ago, he hit us hard enough that it moved the Dakota on the trailer.
I don't much care for any street racing, anywhere. But that's just me.
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I need to look but I think I still got some pics I took along time ago. I knew it was a wing car but thought it was a bird for some reason.
Some interesting times back then. I thought at one time he had 2 wing cars, plus a '68 Barracuda with a Daytona wing on it.
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Got in an argument with a guy about this incident. He told me, "it could have happened at the track too" No it wouldn't. The guy didn't even have a helmet, let alone the rest of the safety equipment required. I would think even the outlaw tracks require helmets Accidents don’t happen at the track? A helmet would have prevented the crash?
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Got in an argument with a guy about this incident. He told me, "it could have happened at the track too" No it wouldn't. The guy didn't even have a helmet, let alone the rest of the safety equipment required. I would think even the outlaw tracks require helmets Nitrous bottle ratchet strapped to the seat... tracks are so safe, they wouldn’t let this happen.... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FG25dNB9W0E
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And yet guys try to justify street racing. Give me a break.
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Any pis or vids of these ratted out taped together cars? There are far more well built cars then junk, just like at the track. Dont we hear people complain on here about the junk at the track, the oildown delays ect... some like to cherry pic.
Must be lack of money, pride or ? because the guys that run around here actually have very well built cars, more heads up type builds vs budget bracket cars, but they are more or less track cars that do go through tech but just more raced on the street then track.
Everyone runs a aftermarket block, a good trans with a shield or blanket, proper cage, most have fire suppression at least in the engine bay if not inside as well and either a aftermarket 9 inch or some sort of 60.
I do see alot of goofy junk on youtube vids, just never first hand.
Really the most unsafe two in our group are hellcats, simply as they are not caged. And thats not a dig on hellcats, the owners just dont want cages.
Which really gets me thinking, hey look at all the hellcat vids on the web, what really do they have thats gonna save there ass at a crash at 140. They would peal open just like any other new rig. But no one here is talking about there stupidity.
What was the ford stang in the 90-s that was like the first modern factory like race car, the stang svt, I dont think it was that but it had no back seat, no ac... hmm have to look at google.
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Even hitting a lightpole or two would have been a non-issue if he was just wearing BELTS OR A HELMET.
One of the semi-famous Detroit guys died in the early 2000's doing something similar. Testing a customer car on Grosbeck, no belts, no helmet. Lost it, hit a telephone pole and died.
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Even hitting a lightpole Lost it, hit a telephone pole and died. Most poles along most streets are power or lite poles, some have some telephone cable or wires on them I've put in many poles for the first telephone company that I worked for as a apprentice lineman, very few where for telephone only in the Mojave desert back in the early 1960s Any utility pole that is taller than 22 Ft from the top down to the dirt or sidewalk is usually a joint use or power or lite pole only, not telephone only
Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)
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