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Re: Why did they stop with springs in lower rad hoses? [Re: larrymopar360] #2561304
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If you really want one it's not hard to wind your own - people have even used coat hangers for this! Stainless wire is probably a better option. Find a suitable diameter cylinder as a former and manually wind the wire around it.

Although it's being referred to here as a spring, it is not performing the function of one, so does not need to be from spring steel etc.

Re: Why did they stop with springs in lower rad hoses? [Re: larrymopar360] #2561324
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I also got 1 from CJ Pony, cheap and easy and it works.

Re: Why did they stop with springs in lower rad hoses? [Re: larrymopar360] #2561372
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Same here BDW...

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Re: Why did they stop with springs in lower rad hoses? [Re: BDW] #2561473
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Originally Posted By BDW
I also got 1 from CJ Pony, cheap and easy and it works.
So did I. Around $7 bucks if I remember right.

Re: Why did they stop with springs in lower rad hoses? [Re: larrymopar360] #2561707
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I've seen the springs at local parts stores to add to the lower hose. When I replace the hose I always swap the spring from the old hose to the new one.

Re: Why did they stop with springs in lower rad hoses? [Re: 5thAve] #2561947
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be sure to turn the ends inward toward the center.


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Re: Why did they stop with springs in lower rad hoses? [Re: RapidRobert] #2561965
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Never needed one!! stirthepot

Re: Why did they stop with springs in lower rad hoses? [Re: 318 Stroker] #2562138
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Originally Posted By 318 Stroker
Originally Posted By PLUM_72
So can one buy a replacement spring to put in a lower hose, if you wanted one?


I went to the local auto parts stores and bought a universal corrugated hose with a spring in it for 10.00. Pulled it and installed in my hose.


That's what I did when I pulled the old spring out and it was rusted as #$%^


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Re: Why did they stop with springs in lower rad hoses? [Re: hemi-itis] #2562230
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Is the small block one from CJ pony parts, what we need for a BB Mopar? I see a small and big block option.

Re: Why did they stop with springs in lower rad hoses? [Re: larrymopar360] #2605419
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My brand new lower hose on my Power Powagon collapsed while idling in traffic on hot day here in Florida. First time I've had this happen. I noticed when temp gauge shot up and I popped hood and no leaks anywhere. New radiator, milodon water pump, thermostat....everthing is new in cooling system so I figured it might be that.

Also, I've noticed our Charger police cars have spring in upper hoses (reverse flow I guess?), so that kind of defeats the theory they were for factory fill purposes.


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Re: Why did they stop with springs in lower rad hoses? [Re: larrymopar360] #2605423
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Originally Posted By larrymopar360


Also, I've noticed our Charger police cars have spring in upper hoses (reverse flow I guess?), so that kind of defeats the theory they were for factory fill purposes.


Go back and think about what you just said.


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Re: Why did they stop with springs in lower rad hoses? [Re: Supercuda] #2605453
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Originally Posted By Supercuda
Originally Posted By larrymopar360


Also, I've noticed our Charger police cars have spring in upper hoses (reverse flow I guess?), so that kind of defeats the theory they were for factory fill purposes.


Go back and think about what you just said.
Not very helpful. If I missed something, excuse me! Can you just clear it up for me? Admittedly, I'm not a genius and might have missed something. But, I believe someone wrote they DON'T use springs anymore because they have a different method for factory fill, and that's what the springs were originally for, and NOT for eliminating collapsing hoses during consumer use.


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Re: Why did they stop with springs in lower rad hoses? [Re: larrymopar360] #2605456
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My Power Wagon runs very cool otherwise. Engine runs great, and it will cruise all day long on the highway at 70mph, and will run in traffic for hours no problem. But that one time on a very hot day, bam, temp shot up and the lower hose was sunk in.

I've done a ton of work on this engine. Just about everything but piston rings. It's had complete valve job, new cam and lifters, radiator, freeze plugs, timing chain, water pump, thermostat, hoses, belts, plugs, wires, ignition, timing set, headers, dual exhausts. It's squared away. I've since bypassed heater since core is at rad shop right now being repaired.

It did not overheat in traffic that time because of something else. I'm going to get a spring for lower hose (or wire if you want to be technical). Thank you to those with helpful answers.

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Re: Why did they stop with springs in lower rad hoses? [Re: StukaJU87] #2605460
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Originally Posted By StukaJU87
Originally Posted By PLUM_72
So can one buy a replacement spring to put in a lower hose, if you wanted one?


I ordered from CJ Pony Parts. Lower radiator hose spring stainless steel small block 1965-73. It was $8.99

https://www.cjponyparts.com/catalogsearc...l+block+1965-73
My truck is '79 with Max Cooling and HUGE lower hose.


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Re: Why did they stop with springs in lower rad hoses? [Re: larrymopar360] #2605463
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Here’s my non-scientific pragmatic approach to it......

I’ve seen numerous vehicles through the years suffer from the “bottom hose sucked shut/engine runs hot” scenario........ where adding the “spring” fixed it.

It’s a cheap and easy thing to try........ if it doesn’t help, you’re not out much time or money.
If it does...... it was a simple cost effect solution.

If you’re having issues with the lower hose getting sucked shut..... it certainly can’t hurt anything to try adding the spring.


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Re: Why did they stop with springs in lower rad hoses? [Re: fast68plymouth] #2605556
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Originally Posted By fast68plymouth
Here’s my non-scientific pragmatic approach to it......

I’ve seen numerous vehicles through the years suffer from the “bottom hose sucked shut/engine runs hot” scenario........ where adding the “spring” fixed it.

It’s a cheap and easy thing to try........ if it doesn’t help, you’re not out much time or money.
If it does...... it was a simple cost effect solution.

If you’re having issues with the lower hose getting sucked shut..... it certainly can’t hurt anything to try adding the spring.


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Re: Why did they stop with springs in lower rad hoses? [Re: larrymopar360] #2605559
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I agree ^

Going to try it.


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Re: Why did they stop with springs in lower rad hoses? [Re: larrymopar360] #2605586
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You can also put a little tension into the hose when you install it to sort of "pre load" it. Just make sure you twist it opposite of the way the motor rocks when under load. I've had the same issue with some long top hoses that needed a little tweak.

Re: Why did they stop with springs in lower rad hoses? [Re: Montclaire] #2605601
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Originally Posted By Montclaire
You can also put a little tension into the hose when you install it to sort of "pre load" it. Just make sure you twist it opposite of the way the motor rocks when under load. I've had the same issue with some long top hoses that needed a little tweak.
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Re: Why did they stop with springs in lower rad hoses? [Re: larrymopar360] #2605652
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No springs here and no problems either.


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