These photos are taken from the front Veiw .
1st photo is the position at rest, which is full retard, oil fills the cavity as the engine starts, oil pressure over comes the clock spring, as the computer calls for less timing it releases oil pressure.
2nd photo is full advance, notice there is a indent "hash/shallow slot".
Last photo one of the cavities that can be "blocked" is pointed out.l last photo got rotated 90degrees for some reason.

I would like to point out that I lost 2 of the vains the 1st time I disassembled this phaser.
If anyone wants more pics let me know what Veiw you would like.

thanks for putting up the pics, I been wanting to do that over a year ago but I am too stupid to finger out the how to get my pics on here.

You can see how easy it is to block and why no special part is needed, just anything to keep it from moving. You can also degree it and adjust it with shims on either side of the vane to get it exactly where you want it, you only need to block or shim one but it wont hurt to block all the vanes.

I am curious how much it was retarding the cam with the solenoid un-plugged? Seems you could use that to your advantage as a lot of times a cam workes better advanced at low speed and retarded a few degrees as the RPM go up.

When they sell those lock out kits, it comes with some type of clamp. Does it keep it from turning or is it spring loaded? I never took one apart, but saw a vid on how those blocks are installed.

Can i see a picture of you throwing it in the garbage?

Seriously, is the chain the same thickness as the non vvt motors?

I'm under the impression the blocks, timing chains, cams, etc.. are all different from the pre-vvt blocks. So you cannot run it with out that big thing hanging on the front of the cam.

In cam timing terms like a traditional LA small block with a cam ground at 110 and installed 4 degrees advanced at 106 for example. The vvt is essentially moving the cam around from say 104 advanced to 116 retarded depending on the engine speed, correct?
If I put a 6.4 cam in a 5.7 block and lock out the vvt and I want the cam straight up or advanced, does it matter on which side I block it from moving? Or just block it and then I can adjust it with the electronics?

Thanks for creating this post by the way.

I'll get to your question tomorrow, but in this thread below there is a photo showing the difference between the two types of cams.
https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/ubbt...tml#Post2413484

Ray the vvt chain is thicker and also has a different pitch.

I have a vvt delete chain set in the works, stay tuned

1st,vvt and chain
2nd vvt chain on pre vvt cam gear
3rd self explanatory (lol)

1st vvt block
2nd pre eagle

[/b]In cam timing terms like a traditional LA small block with a cam ground at 110 and installed 4 degrees advanced at 106 for example. The vvt is essentially moving the cam around from say 104 advanced to 116 retarded depending on the engine speed, correct? [b]

Essentially yes, but it also uses torque tables and emissions to figure out what timing is optimal for the current requirements.

[/b]If I put a 6.4 cam in a 5.7 block and lock out the vvt and I want the cam straight up or advanced, does it matter on which side I block it from moving? Or just block it and then I can adjust it with the electronics?[b]

the way the system is designed you can't advance the cam more than TDC , when the two marks on the Cam gear are lined up that's O TDC, with the internal mark at let's say 11.55 o'clock the cam gear fully retarted
As you look at the 2nd photo with the vains turned fully clockwise you would block it to the left of the vains for straight up.
Outside cam mark at 12 o'clock and crank mark at 12 o'clock.(confusing I know) is "straight up"
I've been meaning to play with advancing the cam/crank one tooth and than seeing where everything sorts out, turn the internal "piece' counter clock wise and seeing where the cam is in relation to the crank and than work something out from there.

I am working with someone to bring a timing set to market that converts the system to a more traditional setup while still using the VVT cam core and VVT style chain tensioners, were are debating on weather or not we should shorten up the chain and remove the tensioners all together.

Looking at your second photo the vains are to the right, and the marks are almost straight up, which puts the cam "straight up" and as full advanced as it will go. If the vain can move to left or counter clockwise, it would be retarding the cam right?

If I stick a bolt or nut in there to block it, then I want to put it in with the vain to the right of nut/bolt? Correct? So I get the cam in the straight up or close to it position, then if there is some vvt left I can tune it with the computer, right?

It looks like the directions for the comp cams vvt limiter has one putting the block in while the vain is to the left...weird. That would be putting more retarded right?
Thanks!