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Anyone have suggestions on what to get and what to stay away from?


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Re: 727 shield [Re: cdwmotorsports] #2559397
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I have a CSR on a 727 in a A body. I have the stock floor, so I had to roll/beat the lip where the firewall seam meets the floor pan. Fits nicely once you get everything clearanced. I like it better than the trans blanket I had.

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I like and used the blankets after fighting a CSI shield in a A body,1971 Duster, with the BB moved back one inch from stock on the trans crossmember shruggy work


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Re: 727 shield [Re: cdwmotorsports] #2559530
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I like a blanket 'cause I personally saw a shield turn into a yellow ball of yarn that did NOTHING to prevent fragments from coming through the floor. Driver almost lost his foot.

Many of you heard me tell that above story before.

The drivers foot and toes basically turned black, and the doctor was prepping to remove a large part of it when he brushed across the toes. The patient groaned when that happened, and then the doctor did it again.

At this point the driver said why did you do that again? Doctors reply, you can feel that? Well, then, we need a different approach...…

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Originally Posted By SportF
I like a blanket 'cause I personally saw a shield turn into a yellow ball of yarn that did NOTHING to prevent fragments from coming through the floor. Driver almost lost his foot.

Many of you heard me tell that above story before.

The drivers foot and toes basically turned black, and the doctor was prepping to remove a large part of it when he brushed across the toes. The patient groaned when that happened, and then the doctor did it again.

At this point the driver said why did you do that again? Doctors reply, you can feel that? Well, then, we need a different approach...…


Do you have trans. temp issues with Blanket? I'm not opposed to a blanket aside from the temp issue


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Re: 727 shield [Re: cdwmotorsports] #2559631
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I run a blanket . Have not seen any temp issues , daily driven with a 5800 stall .
I do run a short blanket .

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Re: 727 shield [Re: cdwmotorsports] #2559659
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Originally Posted By cdwmotorsports
Originally Posted By SportF
I like a blanket 'cause I personally saw a shield turn into a yellow ball of yarn that did NOTHING to prevent fragments from coming through the floor. Driver almost lost his foot.

Many of you heard me tell that above story before.

The drivers foot and toes basically turned black, and the doctor was prepping to remove a large part of it when he brushed across the toes. The patient groaned when that happened, and then the doctor did it again.

At this point the driver said why did you do that again? Doctors reply, you can feel that? Well, then, we need a different approach...…


Do you have trans. temp issues with Blanket? I'm not opposed to a blanket aside from the temp issue

NO! grin
That's is not to say you won't have any heating issues though shruggy work My current bracket car with a glide that now stalls around 5600 RPM against the brake runs under 150 F all the time at the track, I have to warm the tranny up against the brake to get heat into the fluid shruggy


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Re: 727 shield [Re: cdwmotorsports] #2559674
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CSR.... covers my “needs” for 9sec passes per the rules. Provides both trans and flex plate protection..... per the rules. Small block/727 combo I said f’it and cut the trans tunnel out. Even guys I talked to with 904 said it was TIGHT. I’m currently changing to 904 and have had a shield on order since July 2nd. Luckily I’ve had little ambition to get the car runnng, but f I did, I’d a thrown my old Lofgren blanket on it and called it good.

...my personal thought with a 727 is DONT GO to the track with a stock drum. I also feel a properly installed blanket is worlds above the CSR shield. It’s ability to absorb the shock/explosion makes much more sense.... hangup on the blanket is that I’d still need the required “flex plate/flywheel” sheild, so CSR it is.

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One advantage of the shield has is that it only needs to be recertified every five years, the blankets are every two years.

If you get a blanket Stroud Safety well recertify theirs, not everyone will.

Stroud will custom make them also. As alluded to above if you are in the nines you will need a SFI flexplate and flexplate shield.

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I run the CSR shield. I had one on my cuda's 727 when it exploded 10 years ago and it did it's job protecting me. No complaints here.

Basically your only options are the CSR shield or a blanket in a stock body car. I prefer the shield.


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Re: 727 shield [Re: cdwmotorsports] #2560822
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When building the car I opened up the tunnel. Worth the time and effort. Aluminum shield fits easily. Trans removal is also easy. No worries of whether the carbon shield will do the job.
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doug, are you talking about the bolt together shield made of 1/4" aluminum plate ?
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Originally Posted By moparx
doug, are you talking about the bolt together shield made of 1/4" aluminum plate ?


Yes

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Let me throw a Q in here .. Why does an alum shield have to be recerted if it is not damaged ? uNless it is all about just THEM dipping into OUR WALLET again !!

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the CSR shield solves both the transmission and Flywheel rule - actually has two SFI numbers on it - as with all safety products some minor adjustements needed - as in get the BFH out of the tool box!

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Originally Posted By Doc Fiberglass
Let me throw a Q in here .. Why does an alum shield have to be recerted if it is not damaged ? uNless it is all about just THEM dipping into OUR WALLET again !!

Nobody ever checks them.
Doug

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You mean no one at track tech eyeballs them closely OR when you send them in for RE cert they jsta rubber stamp them ?

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Never seen a tech guy crawl under the car. Only to look for the driveshaft Loop.
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How about on a car that has a remove able tunnel ? Anyone ever build one out of 1/4" steel plate ?

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I’ve only talked with folks that run divisional/national level that have been inspected closely. I passed on a used 904 CSR a couple months ago... wish I would have jumped on it.

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Originally Posted By DoubleD
the CSR shield solves both the transmission and Flywheel rule - actually has two SFI numbers on it - as with all safety products some minor adjustements needed - as in get the BFH out of the tool box!


To make sure it hasn't been modified.


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Re: 727 shield [Re: dvw] #2561882
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Originally Posted By dvw
Originally Posted By moparx
doug, are you talking about the bolt together shield made of 1/4" aluminum plate ?


Yes


thanks doug. what do you use for a flexplate/converter shield ?
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It had TCI #940100. Pain in the but to get the trans out (my motor is slid back). I took it off. No one has even questioned it. That being said I'm going to make a small mod and reinstall it this winter. I've seen to many ring gears come off in the last year.
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Taking my Challenger apart this weekend to replace the flexplate with new and thought I would send in both my shields (I keep one as a spare) and let the car be down whilst I get all certs done as I am looking at selling it but they just emailed back and if the shield is over 10 years old and/or been re-certified before it's a NO go. Was also thinking of selling both as non-recertable and buying a new shield but sounds like they (new) shields are UN-availible? shruggy runaway

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thanks doug ! up
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If you just use a blanket,your supposed to still have a flywheel shield.
My heap has a shield with the HEMI set back 2 inches.


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That’s good to know Keith.... my 727 sheild is up, but I’ve never recerted it.... I’m still waiting for my 904 sheild. I wish I had one of those aluminum shields to see if it would clear my 2 piece trans tunnel. What I probably should REALLY do is cancel the order and just run my blanket. Not like they check in the racing I do.

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I would LOVE to hear any of the shield suppliers reasoning behind NOT re certing a older shield that is uNdamaged and uNmodified part .. OTHER THAN being able to dip into your wallet again !!

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That guy down there CSR is a piece of work. When I went to get mine recerted the second time, he gave me all kinds of grief. I had already sent it down there because I never dreamed of there being a problem. You basically couldn't tell this thing from new. He kept telling me he couldn't recert it because of this or that. None of it made sense. I kept on him for a legitimate reason. He finally came up with that after so many years the carbon fiber starts to lose its strength. After that he recerted it just to get rid of me. But I've talked to other people and he won't do a second recert. I not an expert so I couldn't tell if that was true or not about the carbon fiber losing its strength.

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JUST TO GET RID OF YOU !! .. and this was after how long a period of time since new ? Was the CF de laminating at all ?

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Originally Posted By OUTLAWSSAA
That guy down there CSR is a piece of work. When I went to get mine recerted the second time, he gave me all kinds of grief. I had already sent it down there because I never dreamed of there being a problem. You basically couldn't tell this thing from new. He kept telling me he couldn't recert it because of this or that. None of it made sense. I kept on him for a legitimate reason. He finally came up with that after so many years the carbon fiber starts to lose its strength. After that he recerted it just to get rid of me. But I've talked to other people and he won't do a second recert. I not an expert so I couldn't tell if that was true or not about the carbon fiber losing its strength.


Obviously it’s due to the extreme humidity where you live!
....of course if it were me we’d blame the dry excessive heat. laugh2

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C'mon fellas,,,,,it's all about the money down
How about belt certs?? 2 years is a joke,should be 5 years unless there are threads worn

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Easy enough. Just don't buy a Carbon shield. If they don't sell any new they won't have to worry about recert.
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It’s my take that they don’t sell any.... I’m assuming since I’ve been waiting since July for my 904 peice.

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Originally Posted By J_BODY
It’s my take that they don’t sell any.... I’m assuming since I’ve been waiting since July for my 904 peice.


I am hoping by the time mine gets to old to recert someone will have a SFI case for 727s and 904s....... not likely but hopes and dreams.


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Takes mucho dinaro to get a 727 built is SFI spec.But the one who does it will have a long battle making his money back!


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There will be a time when a transmission case can be 3D printed.

I guess that could be done now, but not in something that is strong enough and also light enough.

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Originally Posted By Doc Fiberglass
JUST TO GET RID OF YOU !! .. and this was after how long a period of time since new ? Was the CF de laminating at all ?



Like I said in the post,it looked as good as new.

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Never did any CF work but FG gets stronger with age. ESPECIALLY in a higher temp situation.

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