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Re: LA 360 - Hits a wall at 4,000rpm - *not cam timing* [Re: GoodysGotaCuda] #2559125
10/04/18 11:08 PM
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Those of you thinking fuel issue, or cam timing I think miss one crucial fact. His video is with no load on it.

I cannot imagine a fueling issue that would cause it to do this unless it was massively rich and it'd be blowing great clouds of black smoke.

I cannot imagine a cam timing issue that would let it run at all and do this.

It almost has to be ignition.


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Re: LA 360 - Hits a wall at 4,000rpm - *not cam timing* [Re: GoodysGotaCuda] #2559148
10/04/18 11:51 PM
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There was a thread on here a couple years ago about a car going super lean in the upper rpm range. I can't recall if it was laying down like this one though. It turned out to be a fuel line sucking shut back by the tank.

This one still seems like valve springs or lifters though.


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Re: LA 360 - Hits a wall at 4,000rpm - *not cam timing* [Re: Guitar Jones] #2559173
10/05/18 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted By Guitar Jones
I'm qualified, and infinitely more qualified than you Mr. Construction worker.


Well, that was pretty rude.
I can degree a cam...Can you build a house? Lay out a frame? Calculate roof pitch and cut rafters that fit? I would be very surprised to hear that you can but since this is a car forum, lets focus on that instead of insulting another mans trade.
You made it clear that you thought that degreeing a cam is pointless. Maybe it is to YOU but if nothing else, it can rule out an area that allows you to focus elsewhere.

Re: LA 360 - Hits a wall at 4,000rpm - *not cam timing* [Re: Kern Dog] #2559187
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Originally Posted By Frankenduster
Originally Posted By Guitar Jones
I'm qualified, and infinitely more qualified than you Mr. Construction worker.


Well, that was pretty rude.
I can degree a cam...Can you build a house? Lay out a frame? Calculate roof pitch and cut rafters that fit? I would be very surprised to hear that you can but since this is a car forum, lets focus on that instead of insulting another mans trade.
You made it clear that you thought that degreeing a cam is pointless. Maybe it is to YOU but if nothing else, it can rule out an area that allows you to focus elsewhere.





Don't let guitar dude get to you. He was a line mechanic and not an engine builder or a machinist and they ain't the same thing.

IDGAF if Chrysler, or GM or ford or anyone else lines the cam dot to dot. The factory didn't give a single [censored] how they ran when they left the factory. They didn't care. It's quick and dirty to dot to dot and it shows lack of experience.


To the OP. I don't really care what is wrong with your engine. What I'm saying is to do the job correctly, and eliminating potential problems you need to STOP and degree the cam.


It's that simple. You can be a keyboard builder who cuts corners, or, you can do the [censored] correctly.

Degree the cam.


Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
Re: LA 360 - Hits a wall at 4,000rpm - *not cam timing* [Re: madscientist] #2559212
10/05/18 01:54 AM
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Any chance there are weak grounds in the system?


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Re: LA 360 - Hits a wall at 4,000rpm - *not cam timing* [Re: blown340] #2559260
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Originally Posted By blown340
Any chance there are weak grounds in the system?


There is a huge chance of this. It's probably the single most frequent problem seen in these old trucks.


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Re: LA 360 - Hits a wall at 4,000rpm - *not cam timing* [Re: GoodysGotaCuda] #2559278
10/05/18 09:16 AM
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Truck is running well now as it appears to have been a combination of things.

Thanks for the help and drama!


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Re: LA 360 - Hits a wall at 4,000rpm - *not cam timing* [Re: GoodysGotaCuda] #2559284
10/05/18 09:41 AM
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I saw a mild 318 do this, would hit a wall at 3,500 and everyone was telling the guy valve springs but was I talking to some chiivy guys that had told me about one of those great 350 engines which did the same thing and it had AC plugs so we checked his plugs and were AC's. Problem was solved with a set of autolite copper tips!

Re: LA 360 - Hits a wall at 4,000rpm - *not cam timing* [Re: GoodysGotaCuda] #2559295
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Originally Posted By GoodysGotaCuda
Truck is running well now as it appears to have been a combination of things.

Thanks for the help and drama!


Soo, you are just going to keep it to yourself?


"Follow me the wise man said, but he walked behind"


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'74 W200 Crew Cab 360, NV4500, D44, D60 and NP205 divorced transfer case. Rear disc and hydroboost coming soon!
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Re: LA 360 - Hits a wall at 4,000rpm - *not cam timing* [Re: GoodysGotaCuda] #2559298
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That's more drama until

Let the truth bee told !!!

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Re: LA 360 - Hits a wall at 4,000rpm - *not cam timing* [Re: GoodysGotaCuda] #2559305
10/05/18 10:39 AM
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Hit a wall ? gotta hurt... Baad Ground volt drop, solution buy a mustang. Junk dat cam too an decree it already, Kongratz, I luv draamma. (Glad you got it figured out.)


Re: LA 360 - Hits a wall at 4,000rpm - *not cam timing* [Re: Guitar Jones] #2559309
10/05/18 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted By Guitar Jones
Originally Posted By GoodysGotaCuda
Truck is running well now as it appears to have been a combination of things.

Thanks for the help and drama!


Soo, you are just going to keep it to yourself?



I degreed the cam and now my exhaust smells like fresh baked cookies and unicorns lead the way everywhere I go. popcorn

Re: LA 360 - Hits a wall at 4,000rpm - *not cam timing* [Re: GoodysGotaCuda] #2559312
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Re: LA 360 - Hits a wall at 4,000rpm - *not cam timing* [Re: Guitar Jones] #2559315
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Filled the gas tank, corrected not having full throttle, cleaned the batterery terminals, ohhhh and he readjusted the rev limiter. LOL.


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Re: LA 360 - Hits a wall at 4,000rpm - *not cam timing* [Re: pittsburghracer] #2559324
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Originally Posted By pittsburghracer
Filled the gas tank, corrected not having full throttle, cleaned the batterery terminals, ohhhh and he readjusted the rev limiter. LOL.


So are you telling me that degreeing the cam is not going to give me the desired fresh baked cookie and unicorn effect?!?


I'm so disappointed. whiney


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'74 W200 Crew Cab 360, NV4500, D44, D60 and NP205 divorced transfer case. Rear disc and hydroboost coming soon!
2019 1500 Long Horn Crew Cab 4WD, 5.7 Hemi.
Re: LA 360 - Hits a wall at 4,000rpm - *not cam timing* [Re: GoodysGotaCuda] #2559333
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Originally Posted By GoodysGotaCuda
Truck is running well now as it appears to have been a combination of things.

Thanks for the help and drama!


That’s the kind of post I’d expect to see if one were a little embarrassed about what the problem actually was.

And....... doesn’t help the next guy who might find themselves in the same situation.


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Re: LA 360 - Hits a wall at 4,000rpm - *not cam timing* [Re: GoodysGotaCuda] #2559374
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yep ^, so was it the tachometer???

Re: LA 360 - Hits a wall at 4,000rpm - *not cam timing* [Re: GoodysGotaCuda] #2559380
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I replace a fuel pump on a mustang with a 4 cylinder because it shutoff and wasn’t getting fuel. With the new pump still wasn’t getting fuel!!!!! Then I noticed the cam sprocket wasn’t turning. Dohhhh! Broken timing belt. Had a friend try to start his truck for two hours called me and I came over and found the rotor sitting on the core support. I could go on and on and on! If you haven’t screwed up your really haven’t done much.


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Re: LA 360 - Hits a wall at 4,000rpm - *not cam timing* [Re: moparx] #2559460
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