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Local engine builder is taking this motor to Charlotte on 4th Oct for Race Engine Challenge competition 11.95 compression, runs on pump gas. Stock 360 Magnum block, cast tunnel ram. Victor heads he did with 2.175 intake valves. Guess it will be live streamed, that will be fun to watch. Mopar Muscle feature on build upcoming.
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Impressive!!
I don’t remember how the scoring will be done compared to the EM contests.
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Having dealt with 360s in the past, I'll just say, ummmmm...OK. Power adder?
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Looks like the gist of the scoring is best average hp over three runs, 4000-7500rpm, times 1000, divided by cubic inch.
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Having dealt with 360s in the past, I'll just say, ummmmm...OK. Power adder? No power adder. Motor will be at the competition week from Thursday, we will get to see it run. Block is 100 over, 3/4 filled. He was surprised how much meat remained when he sonic checked it. Made this number at 7500 rpm. 775 lift roller. Has around 55 pulls on it sorting it out Jack Barna..... Valley performance and Machine
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That is a lot of steam for a stock stroke 360, even with the big bore size. It took me a few years to make 750+ hp with my pump gas 470 engine and some people didn't believe those numbers.
Of course, the NASCAR boys make even more power with fewer inches so it just all depends on how good the heads are. Nice thing is we will all get to see it at a neutral setting competition. Hope he kicks some butt
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2.03 hp/ci....... pretty stout.
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Picture of the engine under “ view blog” on Valley performance and machines website. Purdy
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I would love to see an engine masters where they dyno test then put the engine in a car. The power numbers are always impressive but I cant remember hearing of a quick car with one of these engines. I bought an enginemasters 318 motor off one off the competitors from a few years back( in fact one of his partners, Randy Malik i see is in this competition) installed it in my car, and it ran nearly exactly what i figured it would run based on its pulls at enginemasters. You can google the build/ engine......... LA Confidential Mopar....... will pull it up. Beat on it Track and street for three years till selling the car. Mid 11’s at 3400 pounds with flat hood. Another member on here bought a motor Brett Miller built for enginemasters, it too puts down the number at the track it should. He has a small pickup, is from down South posts on here often, his screen name eludes me, but he’s on here all the time So there are two real world examples
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I know there's formulas for this but is 770 hp possible at 7500 rpm with only 378"? I know that much hp is doable at the cu in for sure, I just thought it would be at a higher rpm, have to be some pretty stout volumetric efficiency. Before the rules changes that killed the 358” Cup motors by about 200hp, when they were solidly well over 900hp....... I’m sure they were also solidly over 770hp@7500 rpm.
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At that lift, the rocker arm is pointing nearly up & down every rotation (this is a function of lever length vs. lift, nothing to do with ratio). Life expectancy...?
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At that lift, the rocker arm is pointing nearly up & down every rotation (this is a function of lever length vs. lift, nothing to do with ratio). Life expectancy...? Very good point. I mentioned to Jack that when you turn the motor over to check lash it looks like your falling off a cliff at that lift on 59 degree deal. Like he said, lift is more like 740 after deflection. For reference, i ran a 700 roller 7500 pm for years( and often) and never had issue with anything. Ultra bulletproof stuff( Jesel, etc, etc) but valvetrain was never broken.... never spit a pushrod, adj backed off, lash issue. Quiet as a church mouse
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I though the victors moved the shaft away from the valve so you needed a longer rocker on the valve side? Also a longer valve that further compunds the 59* lifter problem and add on top of that the offset? Pretty impressive it dont just cough the PR out under the intake when you crank it over...
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I though the victors moved the shaft away from the valve so you needed a longer rocker on the valve side? Also a longer valve that further compunds the 59* lifter problem and add on top of that the offset? Pretty impressive it dont just cough the PR out under the intake when you crank it over... Motor has over 50 pulls on it, spread out over at least 3 sessions, with another upcoming
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I am the other member B3422W5 is talking about. Mine is a pump gas 394 ci that Brett Miller had in Enginemasters. It made peak power at 7300 rpm. I only shift at 6800. It has headers that I built on it and are probably holding it back. It made 662 hp on 91 octane gas. I have been beating on it for over 7 years.
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I though the victors moved the shaft away from the valve so you needed a longer rocker on the valve side? Also a longer valve that further compunds the 59* lifter problem and add on top of that the offset? Pretty impressive it dont just cough the PR out under the intake when you crank it over... There’s another thread going now with the Victors on a Ritter 59* block that they’re turning higher than 7500.
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I though the victors moved the shaft away from the valve so you needed a longer rocker on the valve side? Also a longer valve that further compunds the 59* lifter problem and add on top of that the offset? Pretty impressive it dont just cough the PR out under the intake when you crank it over... There’s another thread going now with the Victors on a Ritter 59* block that they’re turning higher than 7500. Pretty sure he had Jessle make him a set of custom rockers for that one. I’m sure all the info isn’t out there on this dyno Queen yet.
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Let’s just say I’d be pretty surprised to learn that the one in this thread is using some off the shelf ootb Harland Sharps.
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I though the victors moved the shaft away from the valve so you needed a longer rocker on the valve side? Also a longer valve that further compunds the 59* lifter problem and add on top of that the offset? Pretty impressive it dont just cough the PR out under the intake when you crank it over... There’s another thread going now with the Victors on a Ritter 59* block that they’re turning higher than 7500. Pretty sure he had Jessle make him a set of custom rockers for that one. I’m sure all the info isn’t out there on this dyno Queen yet. Indeed. All the info isnt out there on this motor yet. I shared as much as i felt should be shared about it. As i posted earlier, this motor has over 50 pulls on it already. Very trouble free thus far. It wont remain a “ dyno queen” much longer. It will be for sale and in somebody's car at some point soon
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Can’t wait to see some ET numbers
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I know there's formulas for this but is 770 hp possible at 7500 rpm with only 378"? I know that much hp is doable at the cu in for sure, I just thought it would be at a higher rpm, have to be some pretty stout volumetric efficiency. 125% @ 350 CFM will get you there
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I'd like to see how close that 2.175 Intake valve is to the cylinder wall..
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I know there's formulas for this but is 770 hp possible at 7500 rpm with only 378"? I know that much hp is doable at the cu in for sure, I just thought it would be at a higher rpm, have to be some pretty stout volumetric efficiency. 125% @ 350 CFM will get you there His heads go 380+
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I'd like to see how close that 2.175 Intake valve is to the cylinder wall.. It’s a 3/4 concrete filled block bored to 4.100 so that helps I’m sure. I call BS on pump gas as I see 100 octane and sure it may have come out of a pump but come on now. I honestly hope it works out for them as this may get more Victor heads off the shelves and on some nice race cars.
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I'm curious to find out how the bottom end is put together to handle/support that HP. 3/4 fill. He did use 4 bolt splayed caps. I asked him if those two outward splayed bolts had enough meat to attach to for viability. Because on a non magnum block they don't, at least that was my thinking But he said on the Magnum block there is more meat there to make it worthwhile to use them. I learned something. Didnt know the two blocks were different in that spot.
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Just talked to Jack..... little more info he doesnt mind me sharing.
Bullet cam. He consulted with Tony at BES regards it. One of Tony’s former guys, John Lohone( sp) now works for Jack and will make the trip down with him. One time Nascar engine builder He said the valves clear with a ton of room. Very well centered in the bore, a big positive for the heads. Said they would clear a stock bore That Holley manifold was indeed only made for W2. He has about 40 hours converting it from oval to square. Tons of work involved there. I had thought they must have offered it in a standard head form at one time, but just W2 Using cyro treated Hughes rockers. Really likes them. Told me he made a plate for the front of the timimg cover where he can pop off the water pump and move cam in not much more than ten minutes. Said the motor is ultra sensitive to cam timing. Currently has it advanced 4 degrees, makes 750 this way but good bit more torque. Couple degrees can make or take 20 horsepower Is likely to move it around down in Charlotte. Said it will break 800 horse spinning it to 8k. Some very trick oiling mods. Had it on Bischoffs dyno recently and Tony told him it had the capability to win the competition. Was very impressed.
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I'm curious to find out how the bottom end is put together to handle/support that HP. You and me both. I've had stock block, stock crank early LA 360s north of 500HP at 7500 and know what I had to do to keep it together for a season. And it still wanted to push the crank out of it. Add another 250? How short is the fuse on that? Not busting on the builder. Just sayin', stock parts have there limits. I see they did use an aftermarket crank.
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Crank was destroked a little by Adney Brown down in Detroit. The guy who built the enginemasters 318 i bought and ran. Adney owns Performance crankshaft
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Very impressive, I understand about some of the comp. engines mentioned now doing well in other rides, but I kinda think this might be pushing the envelope for longevity with a production block but then again over time it was said a oem block was only good to 500, then 500, then six.
Do you know what crank they are using?
I hope the best in the competition, do you know what some of the "Other" brand entries consist of?
I wonder how many sets of victor heads have sold? For so long it was "we cant get a good cylinder head" and now the price dont seem to be too bad. All 16 entries are listed on the website of the Race engine challenge website
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Crank was destroked a little by Adney Brown down in Detroit. The guy who built the enginemasters 318 i bought and ran. Adney owns Performance crankshaft
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Impressive engine for sure. 800HP wow.
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Just talked to Jack..... little more info he doesnt mind me sharing.
Told me he made a plate for the front of the timimg cover where he can pop off the water pump and move cam in not much more than ten minutes. Said the motor is ultra sensitive to cam timing. Currently has it advanced 4 degrees, makes 750 this way but good bit more torque. Couple degrees can make or take 20 horsepower I used to make a two piece cover for the SB engines. I stopped making them since there weren't very many SB guys building high dollar engines but it would make sense on a high buck engine like this.
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I been saying it for years... a magnum block has more meat where it is needed and is at least harder if not stronger iron as well as more consistant castings. I even posted pictures and nobody seems to care, now I cant post pics anymore so you would have to look back a couple years in my old posts.
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Just talked to Jack..... little more info he doesnt mind me sharing.
Bullet cam. He consulted with Tony at BES regards it. One of Tony’s former guys, John Lohone( sp) now works for Jack and will make the trip down with him. One time Nascar engine builder He said the valves clear with a ton of room. Very well centered in the bore, a big positive for the heads. Said they would clear a stock bore That Holley manifold was indeed only made for W2. He has about 40 hours converting it from oval to square. Tons of work involved there. I had thought they must have offered it in a standard head form at one time, but just W2 Using cyro treated Hughes rockers. Really likes them. Told me he made a plate for the front of the timimg cover where he can pop off the water pump and move cam in not much more than ten minutes. Said the motor is ultra sensitive to cam timing. Currently has it advanced 4 degrees, makes 750 this way but good bit more torque. Couple degrees can make or take 20 horsepower Is likely to move it around down in Charlotte. Said it will break 800 horse spinning it to 8k. Some very trick oiling mods. Had it on Bischoffs dyno recently and Tony told him it had the capability to win the competition. Was very impressed. Yeah, every bit of 40 hours to get a Pro Dominator square. Usually takes some welding too.
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I been saying it for years... a magnum block has more meat where it is needed and is at least harder if not stronger iron as well as more consistant castings. I even posted pictures and nobody seems to care, now I cant post pics anymore so you would have to look back a couple years in my old posts. Funny you would say that. Jack told me the metallurgy in the magnum blocks is better. Said they are notably harder, and extra meat to use 4 bolt splayed caps
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Just talked to Jack..... little more info he doesnt mind me sharing.
Bullet cam. He consulted with Tony at BES regards it. One of Tony’s former guys, John Lohone( sp) now works for Jack and will make the trip down with him. One time Nascar engine builder He said the valves clear with a ton of room. Very well centered in the bore, a big positive for the heads. Said they would clear a stock bore That Holley manifold was indeed only made for W2. He has about 40 hours converting it from oval to square. Tons of work involved there. I had thought they must have offered it in a standard head form at one time, but just W2 Using cyro treated Hughes rockers. Really likes them. Told me he made a plate for the front of the timimg cover where he can pop off the water pump and move cam in not much more than ten minutes. Said the motor is ultra sensitive to cam timing. Currently has it advanced 4 degrees, makes 750 this way but good bit more torque. Couple degrees can make or take 20 horsepower Is likely to move it around down in Charlotte. Said it will break 800 horse spinning it to 8k. Some very trick oiling mods. Had it on Bischoffs dyno recently and Tony told him it had the capability to win the competition. Was very impressed. Yeah, every bit of 40 hours to get a Pro Dominator square. Usually takes some welding too. Yep, he did lots of welding
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You can still post pics.. your just doing it wrong.. after you make your post just click on file management then click on browse.. on your computer find your pic.. then add the pic.. then hit add then finish it off like you normally would by hitting submit... very simple but doing it this way I have all my pics on MY computer first
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First picture i have tried, nothing happens when i click on it
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I cant finger out how to get them from phone to cunfuser and when I try to add em straight from stupid phone its telling me something about 2 terrebytes too big or something
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Yikes 40 hours on the Pro Dominator, I have one that is converted to EFI and I would love to run some Victors but that is a lot of work it sounds like.
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You can still post pics.. your just doing it wrong.. after you make your post just click on file management then click on browse.. on your computer find your pic.. then add the pic.. then hit add then finish it off like you normally would by hitting submit... very simple but doing it this way I have all my pics on MY computer first Pictures do not work for me either. something to do with the new iPhone so I just gave up
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This really saves on buying an X or R block. People should not confuse themselves into thinking a oem block can even come close to what a X or R is or can take. The main webs, the filled inner pan rails, the thicker decks, cylinder wall thickness. The nickle content. From side by side on a stand compassion to parts attrition on freshen up its all easily spotted. The main reason we see x or r blocks in these times that cant go 4.100 safe is because they are seconds from the days when they were easy to get and were set aside from core shift as culls. I just stopped by the machine shop to check my new 318 build. They are building a stock block 340 that will make 700 + with Pro Charger. Pro Gram 4 bolt main caps and the outer bolts are re-positioned at an angle to pick up more meat in the block. This really saves on buying an X or R block.
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This really saves on buying an X or R block. People should not confuse themselves into thinking a oem block can even come close to what a X or R is or can take. The main webs, the filled inner pan rails, the thicker decks, cylinder wall thickness. The nickle content. From side by side on a stand compassion to parts attrition on freshen up its all easily spotted. The main reason we see x or r blocks in these times that cant go 4.100 safe is because they are seconds from the days when they were easy to get and were set aside from core shift as culls. Absolutely. There isn't a production block out there, other than a T/A block that should be considered for serious power. The main line will flex like jack the bear so you need to run looser main clearances, the decks are too damn thin for boost (IMHO) and putting 4 bolt caps on ANY production block is a desperate act. In fact, I won't do it. There isn't enough material there, even if you use a 5/16 bolt and it's offset. Isn't worth it as the support isn't there. AFAIK there is ZERO difference in the cast iron used between LA blocks and magnum blocks. They hone the exact same. They are both harder than a Ford and significantly harder than a Chevy, but they ain't an X or an R block and you'd know it as soon as you hone one. Other than lack of availability there is no reason to use a production block in a serious power application unless you just can't get something. I just stopped by the machine shop to check my new 318 build. They are building a stock block 340 that will make 700 + with Pro Charger. Pro Gram 4 bolt main caps and the outer bolts are re-positioned at an angle to pick up more meat in the block. This really saves on buying an X or R block.
Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
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I've been giving the idea to sleeve all 8 on my TA block... its the last one I have and they are hard to find any of them but it would be a good block then.. the last sleeve I had done was $110 a hole so I would guess its about $1000 to do all 8 now days
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Use studs, add bolts, whatever. When what you are bolting it to is flimsy, the benefit is limited. When the mating surfaces are fretted, the caps are dancing around.
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I’m sure all the info isn’t out there on this dyno Queen yet.
My understanding is that the current owners plan for this engine is to race NHRA Super Street. However plans can change. He and his family have lots of experience racing Stock and perhaps Super Stock.
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Any idea what the valve stems Dia is ?
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Any idea what the valve stems Dia is ? Hollow stem, but dont know the diameter
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very impressive for sure but it states 100 octane like one other person stated earlier. i don't know what pump that's from. just saying. my thought would be 93 octane at best if pump gas is the claim. excluding e85. Motor runs on pump swill but the competition fuel is 100 octane
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Did it make 771 on pump 93 or 100 race gas? Dont know. No matter the case, hell of an achievment by the builder. And like he said, it makes over 800 if he runs it 8,000. The contest is from 4 to 7500 rpm. Certain limitations cause it was built to suit the rules.
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Stock block, stock stroke SB making 800ish is awesome. Who cares if it's on 91, 100, or 116? There's a station by me that has 100 Cam 2 at the pump, so it's pump gas to me.
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I know a guy that has a pump on his nitromethane. Lol.
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Use studs, add bolts, whatever. When what you are bolting it to is flimsy, the benefit is limited. When the mating surfaces are fretted, the caps are dancing around. While i do agree,i also believe a whole lot of times the main isue with maincaps tapdancing in the block comes from detonation and not neccesarily from just to much power,same with most smallblocks that end up pushing a headgasket,sure the 4headbolts per cylinder may not be genius when making big power but the limit for how much compression you can run before pushing a headgasket gets much lower if you also have a problem with detonation,and detonation that starts creating isues is present long before we hear it and it gets catastrophic as in destroyed pistons.
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Did it make 771 on pump 93 or 100 race gas? Dont know. No matter the case, hell of an achievment by the builder. And like he said, it makes over 800 if he runs it 8,000. The contest is from 4 to 7500 rpm. Certain limitations cause it was built to suit the rules. I agree.
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Use studs, add bolts, whatever. When what you are bolting it to is flimsy, the benefit is limited. When the mating surfaces are fretted, the caps are dancing around. While i do agree,i also believe a whole lot of times the main isue with maincaps tapdancing in the block comes from detonation and not neccesarily from just to much power,same with most smallblocks that end up pushing a headgasket,sure the 4headbolts per cylinder may not be genius when making big power but the limit for how much compression you can run before pushing a headgasket gets much lower if you also have a problem with detonation,and detonation that starts creating isues is present long before we hear it and it gets catastrophic as in destroyed pistons. I 100% agree... if you keep them out of detonation they'll take a lot more power then people give them credit for.
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We’ll all find out how it compares in a few days.
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Think his scheduled dyno time is 11 in the morning on Thursday. They head down to Charlotte tomorrow
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Don't disagree on the detonation. But. Flat tops - 11.5:1 static compression, C12, run fat enough to color the plugs, 36* timing, 140-150 degrees, old (mild) roller cam, not burning oil, filled to the water pump holes, everything studded...and the caps were dancing.
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I been saying it for years... a magnum block has more meat where it is needed and is at least harder if not stronger iron as well as more consistant castings. I even posted pictures and nobody seems to care, now I cant post pics anymore so you would have to look back a couple years in my old posts. I agree. I went magnum and never looked back.
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I think a lot of guys miss the point of the competetion, it is a contest for engine builders that eliminates the variability of a car, track, driver, all that stuff just to see who knows how to make the most power.
Another way to do it would be use one car and swap everyones engine in it over the course of a few days but conditions could change a lot over the course of a day so even that might not be fair so the dyno competetion seems the best way to compare engine builders to engine builders.
You could also have another contest for car builders, use say 10 of the exact same engines and have car builders build a car to see who can make the fastest car with the same engine.
The engine masters contest is to have a competetion between engine builders plain and simple. Who can make the most power witin given parameters. It compares one aspect of what makes good cars. If you want to see how entire cars compare then go to a race track any weekend and watch em. All the belly aching about "well I dont think thats going to be fast in a real car" is pointless, totally misses the point of the contest. I dont get why thats so hard to comprehend.
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I think a lot of guys miss the point of the competetion, it is a contest for engine builders that eliminates the variability of a car, track, driver, all that stuff just to see who knows how to make the most power.
Another way to do it would be use one car and swap everyones engine in it over the course of a few days but conditions could change a lot over the course of a day so even that might not be fair so the dyno competetion seems the best way to compare engine builders to engine builders.
You could also have another contest for car builders, use say 10 of the exact same engines and have car builders build a car to see who can make the fastest car with the same engine.
The engine masters contest is to have a competetion between engine builders plain and simple. Who can make the most power witin given parameters. It compares one aspect of what makes good cars. If you want to see how entire cars compare then go to a race track any weekend and watch em. All the belly aching about "well I dont think thats going to be fast in a real car" is pointless, totally misses the point of the contest. I dont get why thats so hard to comprehend.
You totally get it man. Kudo’s to ya. I watch people snipe people at people’s accomlishments that do really cool things in our hobby. Guaranteee this motor would scream in a typical A body
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So is this one of those deals that's going to be on the web?
If so, how do you watch the thing? Is there a link? Do I have to download a bunch of crap or what?
Thanks in advance.
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Gonna call tomorrow and hopefully find out. Pulls are Thursday
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Gonna call tomorrow and hopefully find out. Pulls are Thursday Thanks. I'd love to watch it if I can.
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Gonna call tomorrow and hopefully find out. Pulls are Thursday Thanks. I'd love to watch it if I can. Unfortunately wont be any live streaming. Results will be posted on speedtalk in general discussion. Just got an email back from them.......
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I don’t see any “general discussion” forum over there.
Any updates?
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I guess I’m just trying to push this week along😮
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Dont know if you guys noticed, but there is a W2 entry in the competition as well.
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I don’t see any “general discussion” forum over there.
Any updates? General discussion section has some results already posted. Go to racer forum. Then general discussion is all the way at the bottom Looks like 408 W2 motor made 634.
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I guess I never scrolled that far down the page.
It’s like they put that forum in the basement.
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Randy Malik leading right now. 752 horse, 383 cubes. Jack should be up right now, his sssion was to start at 11
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Jack only made 737 today. Feel bad for them But great job!!
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I don’t see any “general discussion” forum over there.
Any updates? General discussion section has some results already posted. Go to racer forum. Then general discussion is all the way at the bottom Looks like 408 W2 motor made 634. where is there details for the 408 W2 engine? i can't find it
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Jack only made 737 today. Feel bad for them But great job!! Tune not 'right' for NC dyno conditions, or just another example of why you can't compare two different dynos? It's about a 4.5% variation...
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Still love to see what it would do in a 2800 pound sorted out race car.
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Man I woukd love to have that engine for my 96 Dakota. Wonder what that would cost to build?
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Still love to see what it would do in a 2800 pound sorted out race car. Yep or a heavier car for that mather,would just love to see what that thing would do in a well sorted out car !
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Looking forward to the final results, good mopar showing
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I know the Vaseleniuck's, we dynoed my buddy 's 442" AMC motor at their shop a while back.
The Dad, David, just passed away in July, really great man 50 years racing experiance, he worked for Bobby Allison back in the 70's AMC Matador days. I just saw them a few months ago.
The hp is very impressive out of that little mopar, I have a stock stroke 366" 12:1 R3 sitting in my buddy's shop with 48 degree W2's. He's getting a set of Victors for another customers motor that Larry smith is going to be porting, cant wait to see what they look like.
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I have real interest in this competition. First of all, all that is just stupid power for a tiny cube pump motor.
The sbf hemi was being dynoed at a friends ford shop in tucker ga, Engine Systems. Sounded like a cup motor going down the straight at daytona.
Also I just bought a C3H headed 360" sbf built by Ernie Elliott, with heads by the best in the cup world, Kent Ford. Only bought it because it was a screaming deal. Pump gas, all new components and never ran, and Ernie said it would make between 725, and 750. Which sounded overly optimistic to me, but after seeing this, who knows. I'm going to pick it up and dyno it next week.
I've never really had interest in small blocks, but I'm starting to look lol.
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Remember, this motor makes a good bit more power at 8k plus than it did at 7500 rpm. The contest capped the rpm at 7500
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I have real interest in this competition. First of all, all that is just stupid power for a tiny cube pump motor.
The sbf hemi was being dynoed at a friends ford shop in tucker ga, Engine Systems. Sounded like a cup motor going down the straight at daytona.
Also I just bought a C3H headed 360" sbf built by Ernie Elliott, with heads by the best in the cup world, Kent Ford. Only bought it because it was a screaming deal. Pump gas, all new components and never ran, and Ernie said it would make between 725, and 750. Which sounded overly optimistic to me, but after seeing this, who knows. I'm going to pick it up and dyno it next week.
I've never really had interest in small blocks, but I'm starting to look lol. I can see it making 750Hp, those Kent CH3 fud heads can flow as much as 420/430CFM
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Darren, a ford. Are you going over to the dark side? Don't let those Tucker boys steer ya wrong. Lol no sir, I am not...Just a good deal, and my son likes mustangs. He's never had an interest in cars before, so maybe a starter car for him. Then later when he comes to appreciate mopes we'll ditch it back into the endless sea of stangs lol.
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Saw on the Valley machine site blog these guys won the inline valve portion of the competition. Power( as stated earlier) was 737 and torque 570+. This is down from the 771 he made prior. But these pulls were made with mufflers on and he said it was 95 degrees with high humidity. Have no idea why muffs were used or why it was so hot. But you can see the motor on the dyno if you go to Valley performance and Machine website and find the blog there. Kinda surprised the cam was only 255-265@ 50.
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still a very respectable build, Awesome to see it come from a SBM
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