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Re: 771 horse stock stroke 360 motor, pump gas [Re: B3422W5] #2555171
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I been saying it for years... a magnum block has more meat where it is needed and is at least harder if not stronger iron as well as more consistant castings. I even posted pictures and nobody seems to care, now I cant post pics anymore so you would have to look back a couple years in my old posts.


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Re: 771 horse stock stroke 360 motor, pump gas [Re: B3422W5] #2555175
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Originally Posted By B3422W5
Just talked to Jack..... little more info he doesnt mind me sharing.

Bullet cam. He consulted with Tony at BES regards it. One of Tony’s former guys, John Lohone( sp) now works for Jack and will make the trip down with him. One time Nascar engine builder
He said the valves clear with a ton of room. Very well centered in the bore, a big positive for the heads. Said they would clear a stock bore
That Holley manifold was indeed only made for W2. He has about 40 hours converting it from oval to square. Tons of work involved there. I had thought they must have offered it in a standard head form at one time, but just W2
Using cyro treated Hughes rockers. Really likes them.
Told me he made a plate for the front of the timimg cover where he can pop off the water pump and move cam in not much more than ten minutes. Said the motor is ultra sensitive to cam timing. Currently has it advanced 4 degrees, makes 750 this way but good bit more torque. Couple degrees can make or take 20 horsepower
Is likely to move it around down in Charlotte.
Said it will break 800 horse spinning it to 8k. Some very trick oiling mods. Had it on Bischoffs dyno recently and Tony told him it had the capability to win the competition. Was very impressed.



Yeah, every bit of 40 hours to get a Pro Dominator square. Usually takes some welding too.


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Re: 771 horse stock stroke 360 motor, pump gas [Re: HotRodDave] #2555179
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Originally Posted By HotRodDave
I been saying it for years... a magnum block has more meat where it is needed and is at least harder if not stronger iron as well as more consistant castings. I even posted pictures and nobody seems to care, now I cant post pics anymore so you would have to look back a couple years in my old posts.


Funny you would say that.
Jack told me the metallurgy in the magnum blocks is better. Said they are notably harder, and extra meat to use 4 bolt splayed caps up

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Re: 771 horse stock stroke 360 motor, pump gas [Re: madscientist] #2555180
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Originally Posted By madscientist
Originally Posted By B3422W5
Just talked to Jack..... little more info he doesnt mind me sharing.

Bullet cam. He consulted with Tony at BES regards it. One of Tony’s former guys, John Lohone( sp) now works for Jack and will make the trip down with him. One time Nascar engine builder
He said the valves clear with a ton of room. Very well centered in the bore, a big positive for the heads. Said they would clear a stock bore
That Holley manifold was indeed only made for W2. He has about 40 hours converting it from oval to square. Tons of work involved there. I had thought they must have offered it in a standard head form at one time, but just W2
Using cyro treated Hughes rockers. Really likes them.
Told me he made a plate for the front of the timimg cover where he can pop off the water pump and move cam in not much more than ten minutes. Said the motor is ultra sensitive to cam timing. Currently has it advanced 4 degrees, makes 750 this way but good bit more torque. Couple degrees can make or take 20 horsepower
Is likely to move it around down in Charlotte.
Said it will break 800 horse spinning it to 8k. Some very trick oiling mods. Had it on Bischoffs dyno recently and Tony told him it had the capability to win the competition. Was very impressed.



Yeah, every bit of 40 hours to get a Pro Dominator square. Usually takes some welding too.


Yep, he did lots of welding


69 Dart GTS A4 Silver All steel, flat factory hood, 3360race weight
418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam
Best so far, 10.40 @127 1/4
1.41 best 60 foot
6.60 at 103.90 1/8

Re: 771 horse stock stroke 360 motor, pump gas [Re: HotRodDave] #2555182
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You can still post pics.. your just doing it
wrong.. after you make your post just click on
file management then click on browse.. on your
computer find your pic.. then add the pic..
then hit add then finish it off like you normally
would by hitting submit... very simple but doing it
this way I have all my pics on MY computer first
wave

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Re: 771 horse stock stroke 360 motor, pump gas [Re: B3422W5] #2555193
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418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam
Best so far, 10.40 @127 1/4
1.41 best 60 foot
6.60 at 103.90 1/8

Re: 771 horse stock stroke 360 motor, pump gas [Re: B3422W5] #2555196
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First picture i have tried, nothing happens when i click on it


69 Dart GTS A4 Silver All steel, flat factory hood, 3360race weight
418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam
Best so far, 10.40 @127 1/4
1.41 best 60 foot
6.60 at 103.90 1/8

Re: 771 horse stock stroke 360 motor, pump gas [Re: B3422W5] #2555233
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Re: 771 horse stock stroke 360 motor, pump gas [Re: B3422W5] #2555249
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I just stopped by the machine shop to check my new 318 build. They are building a stock block 340 that will make 700 + with Pro Charger. Pro Gram 4 bolt main caps and the outer bolts are re-positioned at an angle to pick up more meat in the block. This really saves on buying an X or R block.

Re: 771 horse stock stroke 360 motor, pump gas [Re: B3422W5] #2555290
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Yikes 40 hours on the Pro Dominator, I have one that is converted to EFI and I would love to run some Victors but that is a lot of work it sounds like.


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Re: 771 horse stock stroke 360 motor, pump gas [Re: MR_P_BODY] #2555309
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Originally Posted By MR_P_BODY
You can still post pics.. your just doing it
wrong.. after you make your post just click on
file management then click on browse.. on your
computer find your pic.. then add the pic..
then hit add then finish it off like you normally
would by hitting submit... very simple but doing it
this way I have all my pics on MY computer first
wave


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Re: 771 horse stock stroke 360 motor, pump gas [Re: A/MP] #2555311
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This really saves on buying an X or R block.

People should not confuse themselves into thinking a oem block can even come close to what a X or R is or can take.

The main webs, the filled inner pan rails, the thicker decks, cylinder wall thickness. The nickle content.

From side by side on a stand compassion to parts attrition on freshen up its all easily spotted.

The main reason we see x or r blocks in these times that cant go 4.100 safe is because they are seconds from the days when they were easy to get and were set aside from core shift as culls.






Originally Posted By A/MP
I just stopped by the machine shop to check my new 318 build. They are building a stock block 340 that will make 700 + with Pro Charger. Pro Gram 4 bolt main caps and the outer bolts are re-positioned at an angle to pick up more meat in the block. This really saves on buying an X or R block.

Re: 771 horse stock stroke 360 motor, pump gas [Re: Porter67] #2555374
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Originally Posted By EV2Bird
This really saves on buying an X or R block.

People should not confuse themselves into thinking a oem block can even come close to what a X or R is or can take.

The main webs, the filled inner pan rails, the thicker decks, cylinder wall thickness. The nickle content.

From side by side on a stand compassion to parts attrition on freshen up its all easily spotted.

The main reason we see x or r blocks in these times that cant go 4.100 safe is because they are seconds from the days when they were easy to get and were set aside from core shift as culls.


Absolutely. There isn't a production block out there, other than a T/A block that should be considered for serious power. The main line will flex like jack the bear so you need to run looser main clearances, the decks are too damn thin for boost (IMHO) and putting 4 bolt caps on ANY production block is a desperate act. In fact, I won't do it. There isn't enough material there, even if you use a 5/16 bolt and it's offset. Isn't worth it as the support isn't there.

AFAIK there is ZERO difference in the cast iron used between LA blocks and magnum blocks. They hone the exact same. They are both harder than a Ford and significantly harder than a Chevy, but they ain't an X or an R block and you'd know it as soon as you hone one.

Other than lack of availability there is no reason to use a production block in a serious power application unless you just can't get something.




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I just stopped by the machine shop to check my new 318 build. They are building a stock block 340 that will make 700 + with Pro Charger. Pro Gram 4 bolt main caps and the outer bolts are re-positioned at an angle to pick up more meat in the block. This really saves on buying an X or R block.


Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
Re: 771 horse stock stroke 360 motor, pump gas [Re: madscientist] #2555442
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I've been giving the idea to sleeve all 8
on my TA block... its the last one I have
and they are hard to find any of them but
it would be a good block then.. the last
sleeve I had done was $110 a hole so I would
guess its about $1000 to do all 8 now days
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Re: 771 horse stock stroke 360 motor, pump gas [Re: B3422W5] #2555464
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Use studs, add bolts, whatever. When what you are bolting it to is flimsy, the benefit is limited. When the mating surfaces are fretted, the caps are dancing around.


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Re: 771 horse stock stroke 360 motor, pump gas [Re: pittsburghracer] #2555473
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Originally Posted By pittsburghracer

I’m sure all the info isn’t out there on this dyno Queen yet.
My understanding is that the current owners plan for this engine is to race NHRA Super Street. However plans can change. He and his family have lots of experience racing Stock and perhaps Super Stock.

Re: 771 horse stock stroke 360 motor, pump gas [Re: B3422W5] #2556282
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Any idea what the valve stems Dia is ?


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Re: 771 horse stock stroke 360 motor, pump gas [Re: ric3xrt] #2556289
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Originally Posted By ric3xrt
Any idea what the valve stems Dia is ?


Hollow stem, but dont know the diameter


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418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam
Best so far, 10.40 @127 1/4
1.41 best 60 foot
6.60 at 103.90 1/8

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very impressive for sure but it states 100 octane like one other person stated earlier. i don't know what pump that's from. just saying. my thought would be 93 octane at best if pump gas is the claim. excluding e85.

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Originally Posted By 9secondsatellite
very impressive for sure but it states 100 octane like one other person stated earlier. i don't know what pump that's from. just saying. my thought would be 93 octane at best if pump gas is the claim. excluding e85.


Motor runs on pump swill but the competition fuel is 100 octane


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