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Shocks #2554191
09/24/18 07:30 PM
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Looking for some recommendations for new shocks. 1964 Dodge, 4000 pounds with me in it. Running SS springs, snubber, drag radials,automatic with 488 gears. Car is bouncing and killing 60 foot times. Any help is appreciated. Thanks, Mark

Re: Shocks [Re: Mac's Hemi 64] #2554216
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Might want to look at Viking shocks but maybe with stronger
valving and double adjustables
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Re: Shocks [Re: Mac's Hemi 64] #2554217
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What shocks do you have in it now? You'll also probably get a lot of recommendations to switch over to Caltrac springs with the bar but even with SS springs you should be able to tame it down. How big is the budget? You can get Calvert adjustable springs for $100 each, double adjustable shocks cost a lot more.

I started making my own lower shock plates so I could get the shock in the correct position. Getting the correct travel on the shock was important for my application.

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Re: Shocks [Re: AndyF] #2554235
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How fast is your car? What are the 60` times?

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Re: Shocks [Re: mills.mopar] #2554267
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I am running 1.90's right now. It is mostly a street car. Best time is 11.20 @ 120 spinning the tires. It is totally built as the 64's were. Trying to make it work without going with upgraded suspension.

Re: Shocks [Re: Mac's Hemi 64] #2554271
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For a street car I'd go with Koni shocks. Koni shocks are adjustable and are very high quality. They have a 5/8 lower bushing which is the wrong size for a Mopar so you have to work around that. I made lower shock plates for my Coronet. I run SS springs on the Coronet and it is a street car. The car launches pretty nice as long as I can keep it hooked rather than up in smoke.

Another thing you might do is play with clamps on the springs. You might want to add some clamps on the front of the spring to stiffen them up.

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Thanks Andy, The springs are clamped. Car is lifting the rear and planting the tires hard now on the hit. Video looks like, and feels like it is bouncing. It just has cheap 90/10's on it now.

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Re: Shocks [Re: Mac's Hemi 64] #2554288
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I have just put Viking double adjustable's on my 71 Barra , big improvement.


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Re: Shocks [Re: AndyF] #2554295
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Originally Posted By AndyF
For a street car I'd go with Koni shocks. Koni shocks are adjustable and are very high quality. They have a 5/8 lower bushing which is the wrong size for a Mopar so you have to work around that. I made lower shock plates for my Coronet. I run SS springs on the Coronet and it is a street car. The car launches pretty nice as long as I can keep it hooked rather than up in smoke.

Another thing you might do is play with clamps on the springs. You might want to add some clamps on the front of the spring to stiffen them up.





How do you adjust that shock and is it double adjustable.


Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
Re: Shocks [Re: Mac's Hemi 64] #2554399
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Viking but expensive. I run qa1 single adjustable R series on the front stiffer compression the knob really adjustes the rebound. I would put a double adjustable in the rear. Viking or qa1


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Re: Shocks [Re: Mac's Hemi 64] #2554406
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I have some double adjustable vikings on my car, good value. They work well and the price wasn't crazy


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Re: Shocks [Re: Mac's Hemi 64] #2554767
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Andy. What it the combo on your Coronet? Any times? Educate me on changing the angle of the shock. Thanks

Re: Shocks [Re: Mac's Hemi 64] #2555262
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I haven't run a SS spring since the late 80's. I thought that with a 400 HP sb in an street equipped A body, I thought I could get away with SS springs and longer rear shocks, the way that I did years ago. Is that theory ancient history?

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Originally Posted By A/MP
I haven't run a SS spring since the late 80's. I thought that with a 400 HP sb in an street equipped A body, I thought I could get away with SS springs and longer rear shocks, the way that I did years ago. Is that theory ancient history?



Yes. You have three choices of simple traction bars in the Cal Tracs, Slid-A-links or the Asassin bars.

I can't think of a single reason to use SS springs and/or a pinion snubber. Ever.


Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
Re: Shocks [Re: Mac's Hemi 64] #2555395
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What does the rear spring shackle angle look like at static height unloaded? Is it almost straight up and down or angle backwards some?


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Cab, rear shackle is straight up and down. I know there are way better ways to go than just the SS springs. This is just fun to keep it all old school. I am also wondering if too short of shock on the front might be making the chassis unload? Thanks for the help.

Re: Shocks [Re: Mac's Hemi 64] #2555425
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If your front shocks are too short it will
have a tendency to unload the rear.. you would
like about 5" of travel on the fronts
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Re: Shocks [Re: Mac's Hemi 64] #2555477
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Oh something I found check for clearance between the body of the shock and the frame mounted bump stop pad. My qa1’s hit the side of the shock body. Same thing happened on a b body In my class. It happens a full droop. A lttle clearance grind on the bracket and you are fine.


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Re: Shocks [Re: Mac's Hemi 64] #2555491
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Do what you have to to make that shackle angle veer towards the rear of the car. Straight up and down is not recommended because it does not allow the spring suspension to work correctly (not raising/separating the body and planting the rear end) thus unloading the rear tires.
I also love to try and keep it stock. Some cars both on and off this site have achieved some good short times using leaf springs (SS or not)
I run the Trip-city springs on mine. Just a stiffer and thicker spring leaf/s compared to the current TOY springs they now call SS springs.

Re: Shocks [Re: Mac's Hemi 64] #2555547
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We've achieved low 1.5x 60 foot at 123mph with Rancho adjustables. They need to be set tight. Try about 15psi. I would think at 120mph you should be able to go low,1.60 high 1.50s. Make sure the shackle doesn't limit travel. You may need to be moved forward or made longer. Better yet switch to sliders. Make sure the shock is long enough so it doesn't limit travel. If it does add an extention to the mount. Shock angle at this stage of the game isn't really a factor. Go to you tube; "64 Dodge shock tuning"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjZDXBXRC9Q
Doug

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