My Dart is a porker!!
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09/19/18 05:56 PM
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Put my 1965 Dart 2dr post car on scales today. Weighs 3115! No driver, 1/2 tank of gas. I was unpleasantly surprised.
Whats in the car; all steel, 408, 904 trans, Ford 8.8 rear, stock back seat, ProCar light weight buckets, no heater or ducts. Coil over and rack and pinion front
Suspension, Wilwood medium street brakes up front, ford discs in back. Full 2 1/2 inch exhaust to th e rear bumper. Motor has iron heads, airgap intake, TTI stepped headers.
15x4 rims and 155r15 tires, 31 lbs each in front. 8.5x18 with 245/45/18 in back, 47.5 lbs each. SS springs.
I was surprised it was that heavy!
56 % weight on front,44% back.
Corner weights, no driver;
Lf 911. Rf 832
Lr 646. Rr 726
8..603 156 mph best, 2905 lbs 549, indy 572-13, alky
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Re: My Dart is a porker!!
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09/19/18 06:40 PM
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Put my 1965 Dart 2dr post car on scales today. Weighs 3115! No driver, 1/2 tank of gas. I was unpleasantly surprised.
Whats in the car; all steel, 408, 904 trans, Ford 8.8 rear, stock back seat, ProCar light weight buckets, no heater or ducts. Coil over and rack and pinion front
Suspension, Wilwood medium street brakes up front, ford discs in back. Full 2 1/2 inch exhaust to th e rear bumper. Motor has iron heads, airgap intake, TTI stepped headers.
15x4 rims and 155r15 tires, 31 lbs each in front. 8.5x18 with 245/45/18 in back, 47.5 lbs each. SS springs.
I was surprised it was that heavy!
56 % weight on front,44% back.
Corner weights, no driver;
Lf 911. Rf 832
Lr 646. Rr 726
Sounds about right. My little brother has a 66 Dart GT. All steel, full factory interior, Factory buckets and console, no exhaust, just headers, aluminum headed 408, 6 point mild steel cage, s/s springs. Weighs 3300 with him, he is 240-250 ish I suspect your exhaust weighs a good bit, probably 60-70 pounds?
Last edited by B3422W5; 09/19/18 06:41 PM.
69 Dart GTS A4 Silver All steel, flat factory hood, 3360race weight
418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam
Best so far, 10.40 @127 1/4
1.41 best 60 foot
6.60 at 103.90 1/8
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Re: My Dart is a porker!!
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Just weighed this at the track last weekend, it was the super stock, stock combo so they set up scales with me in car , 3280 .. I weigh 248 lbs  all steel , except front bumper .. but, it has aluminum interior and plastic windows ,etc
The lips of fools bring them strife, and their mouths invite a beating.Proverbs 18:6
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Re: My Dart is a porker!!
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09/19/18 10:04 PM
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My Sons 1970 Duster is 3200 pounds with him in it at the line (160-170 pounds). Almost as stock equipment as you can get except for a heavy fiberglass 6 pac hood (no other fiberglass). It has caltracs, 8 point cage, frame connectors, stock glass missing wipers and wiper motor, one stock factory bucket seat one race seat, rear seat still in car, factory bumpers and mounts, stock front suspension with only a shock change.
Stock stroke, stock crank 360 that goes 6.54 so probably around a 10.30 in average weather.
1970 Duster
Edelbrock headed 408
5.984@112.52
422 Indy headed small block
5.982@112.56 mph
9.42@138.27
Livin and lovin life one day at a time
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Re: My Dart is a porker!!
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09/19/18 11:03 PM
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Like i mentioned in another post, the plymouth line of early As are shorter, 105.77 inch wheelbase versus 111 inch for my Dart. Other things that add up ; the trunk lid on my Dart is huge and heavy.
I am not sure but i think the 8.8 adds a few pounds as well. John, your sons' car hauls the mail darned good!
8..603 156 mph best, 2905 lbs 549, indy 572-13, alky
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Re: My Dart is a porker!!
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09/19/18 11:17 PM
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Like i mentioned in another post, the plymouth line of early As are shorter, 105.77 inch wheelbase versus 111 inch for my Dart. Other things that add up ; the trunk lid on my Dart is huge and heavy.
I am not sure but i think the 8.8 adds a few pounds as well. John, your sons' car hauls the mail darned good! We found over time Greg that the convertor plays such an important part of the puzzle. I’m sure he’s leaving ET on the table with the 4.10 gears and 727 transmission but it loves a 6400 stall convertor. He just pick up a 742 case set up with a 35 spline spool and 4.56 gears so hopefully we will see how that works out. He hopes to test it before the Halloween Classic
1970 Duster
Edelbrock headed 408
5.984@112.52
422 Indy headed small block
5.982@112.56 mph
9.42@138.27
Livin and lovin life one day at a time
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Re: My Dart is a porker!!
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09/20/18 12:02 AM
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Wow! You all are making me feel good about my 1970 Road Runner.
With me in the drivers seat and 5 gallons of fuel my weights are:
LF 720 RF 715
LR 751 RR 712
Total 2898
The driver is 200 of that. The car is a big block and 727 Dana 60.
No interior, fiberglass everything and lexan for all but the rear windshield. I have split mono leafs and stock front suspension with light weight A arms and aluminum hubs and Wilwood disks.
Digger73 (Mike)
I live with fear everyday but, sometimes she lets me race!
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Re: My Dart is a porker!!
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I think I have the heavies a-body car lol. 68 Barracuda 3525 with 230lbs driver. Thats with no hood and no back seat! The R1 W2 combo isn't doing it any favors.
68 Barracuda Formula S 340
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Re: My Dart is a porker!!
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Put my 1965 Dart 2dr post car on scales today. Weighs 3115!
Sounds about right. I've seen the effects of weight or the lack of it. Not only on performance, but also the wear and tear on parts. I've gotten to be really anal about weight. And when I see guys do things like throw .134 wall roll cage kits in to save a few bucks or not do easy things to shed pounds, and then spend money to make more power, I just shake my head. Many years ago, when discussing a new car with Herb McCandless, he told me, and I paraphrese - The best money spent is reducing weight; it doesn't break, it doesn't wear out, it doesn't blow up and you don't have to fix it every winter. I use that philosophy every day.
If the results don't match the theory, change the theory.
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Re: My Dart is a porker!!
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Put my 1965 Dart 2dr post car on scales today. Weighs 3115!
Sounds about right. I've seen the effects of weight or the lack of it. Not only on performance, but also the wear and tear on parts. I've gotten to be really anal about weight. And when I see guys do things like throw .134 wall roll cage kits in to save a few bucks or not do easy things to shed pounds, and then spend money to make more power, I just shake my head. Many years ago, when discussing a new car with Herb McCandless, he told me, and I paraphrese - The best money spent is reducing weight; it doesn't break, it doesn't wear out, it doesn't blow up and you don't have to fix it every winter. I use that philosophy every day. I hear ya.. my race car is 2400# at the starting line..its just a bracket car.. I didnt have to have a ton of power to run quick.. my street rod in my Rampage is 2900# in full street trim.. both weights are with me in it and a full tank of fuel.. my Rampage has a 18 gal tank.. both are easy on parts
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Re: My Dart is a porker!!
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[img]http://i.imgur.com/boeexFms.jpg[/img]31 Plymouth Coupe, 392 Hemi, T56 magnum RS23J71 RS27J77 RP23J71 RO23J71 WM21J8A I don't regret the things I've done. I only regret the things I didn't do. "Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something. ~ Plato"
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Re: My Dart is a porker!!
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My Charger is 4050 lb with me, talk about a PORKER LOL
1968 Charger COLD A/C Hilborn EFI
512ci 9.7 compression, Stealth heads, 4.10 gear A518 ODtrans 4100lb,10.93 full street car trim
2020 T/A 392 Stock 11.79 @ 114.5
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