Air pressure in bias ply M/T slicks
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I have a 69 Dart 496, 650 hp car weights 3600 lbs, caltracs with mono leaf springs, double adjustable Afco shocks all around. I have been running drag radials for the past 10 years. I had my best 60' on a well prepped track at 1.40. Most tracks are not well prepped so I gave up on the radials and went to bias ply M/T 28' 10.5. Last week I have a best 60' at 1.46, most were 1.50s. It feels like the car hooks than releases. I feel the car is hitting the tires to hard. The caltracs are adjusted in the bottom hole. Slicks have no tubes in them. How much air pressure are you running in your slicks with a 3600 lb car? I am running 15 pounds now.
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Re: Air pressure in bias ply M/T slicks
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09/13/18 02:45 PM
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Start letting air out and watch the 60' numbers. Also try tightening the shocks and watch the time slip. Car is quick enough to benefit from a good DA shock.
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Re: Air pressure in bias ply M/T slicks
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I have DA Afco shocks on it on all four corners. When leaving the line, the car lifts a small bit than drops when I lose traction. I am limited with shock travel because of the Alterkation from end.
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Re: Air pressure in bias ply M/T slicks
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09/13/18 03:03 PM
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I have a 69 Dart 496, 650 hp car weights 3600 lbs, caltracs with mono leaf springs, double adjustable Afco shocks all around. I have been running drag radials for the past 10 years. I had my best 60' on a well prepped track at 1.40. Most tracks are not well prepped so I gave up on the radials and went to bias ply M/T 28' 10.5. Last week I have a best 60' at 1.46, most were 1.50s. It feels like the car hooks than releases. I feel the car is hitting the tires to hard. The caltracs are adjusted in the bottom hole. Slicks have no tubes in them. How much air pressure are you running in your slicks with a 3600 lb car? I am running 15 pounds now. Air pressure is dependent on vehicle weight, IC, shock settings, clutch/converter, launch RPM, track temp, burnout and I'm probably missing a couple of things. That said, you want to hit the tire as hard as you can, without beating the tire to death and being able to control the tire once you smack it. IMO, you are probably 3-5 pounds too high on air pressure. Maybe. Depends on your shock settings. And all the above. I try to use as much pressure as I can and still hook it. With a DA shock you can control the suspension not only easier, but with much more accuracy.
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Re: Air pressure in bias ply M/T slicks
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09/13/18 03:54 PM
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493 Dodge wagon,4.30,caltracs, QA-1 single adjustable about 70 per cent of full stiffness,8inch converter.Phoenix F-9 30 X 9 bias slicks with tubes. I find that any. Pressure less than 18 lbs tears up the tire. Tried less air with variety of shock settings without success. Also tried Hoosiers DO-7 compound which were too hard and spun similarly to what you described. This was all with tubes. My car leaves pretty good with the 18 lbs Phoenix setup running from 1.39 thru low 1.40's depending on conditions. Just my experiences.Others have said I'm off with that much air but I don't have double adjustable shocks to play with at this time so this seems to work for me.
Last edited by cb1289; 09/13/18 04:06 PM.
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Re: Air pressure in bias ply M/T slicks
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I will get someone to video my car leaving the line this weekend. It feels like the car hooks and than spins. It feels like the tire is running over it self. I have tried lower same thing but worst. very loose on top end. I will try some off your suggestion.Thank you.
New best 10.18 , 1.40 60 ft 496 Scott Brown built, street driven 3600 lbs,654 hp , 653 ft tq
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Re: Air pressure in bias ply M/T slicks
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Are you running a trans break or foot breaking.. the car is talking to you.. you think its running over the tire.. it most likely is.. up the pressure and stiffen the rear shocks.. get vid from the rear quartering angle so you can see the rear and the front of the car.. my wife use to video every pass so I could see whats happening.. BIG HELP
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Re: Air pressure in bias ply M/T slicks
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09/14/18 12:22 AM
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I know you don't want to hear this, but put tubes in these tires. With this much weight you need to stiffen up the side walls as much as possible. With out tubes, you will use up the sidewalls very quickly. My car weighs 3250 lbs (w/ driver), has reworked super stock springs, MT 11.5x29.5, 13.5 lbs, footbrake with 60' time 1.42.
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Re: Air pressure in bias ply M/T slicks
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09/14/18 12:39 AM
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I was told by M/T to put tubes in the slicks, I will next year. Trans brake, on a 2 step leaving at 2200 rpm, I have tried higher no difference. I have tried lowering the pressure not good results. I will up the pressure this weekend and try that.I believe the problem is what you say, big tire less air pressure, small tire more pressure. I have had the shock setting all over the place no difference. Thanks for all your advice. Will leave you know how it works out.
New best 10.18 , 1.40 60 ft 496 Scott Brown built, street driven 3600 lbs,654 hp , 653 ft tq
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