Wilwood hubs / wheel offset change ('73 and up)
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Anyone know if and how much a Wilwood hub (for ventilated discs) changes the tracking width (compared to say stock discbrakes)? I'm looking at changing my current homemade discbrake system to a Wilwood system for weight savings mostly. But since there is nothing useful made as a kit from Wilwood, I'm piecing together a setup that fits my '73 Dart. I already have a pair of Forged light 4-piston calipers with 1.38" pistons, and a pair of 12.2" rotors: https://www.wilwood.com/Rotors/RotorProd?itemno=160-0277This is what I'm looking at: Hub: https://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/wil-270-8775Adapter: https://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/wil-300-3099/overview/Still need to find/make the caliper-bracket from the stock '73 Spindle to the Wilwood brake caliper if I proceed with this. I don't want the wheels to be moved to the outside if possible. My current discbrake setup is using '73 Chrysler rotors and calipers. When I installed this system some years ago, I was pleasantly surprised the tracking width had narrowed by about 3/8" per side I recall. This made tire/wheel-fitting a tiny bit easier.
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Re: Wilwood hubs / wheel offset change ('73 and up)
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08/28/18 10:23 PM
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Google and little 2nd grade math= +.21" Wilwood Drag kit uses hub 8777 and they state that kit reduces track to .23" using the 73 spindle So using that info, we can figure it out So the rear bearing to hub flange difference between 8777(2.09") and 8775(2.31") is 0.22", .44" total,,so your 8777 hub done ate up all the reduce track that the 8775 was giving x2.
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Re: Wilwood hubs / wheel offset change ('73 and up)
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08/29/18 07:28 PM
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Thanks for the help guys. Piecing all this together and seeing the costs add up very quickly makes me hesitant to pull the trigger, and all for 'just' some weight savings and possibly ending up with an even little bit wider track-width on my car. As for brake-performance this will hardly any to no improvement over the current 11.75" C-body rotors and 2.75" diameter calipers I already have on the car. The weight savings is significant in terms of sprung weight, weight distribution and moment of inertia. Compared to my 10" drums(34.4lb with knuckle and LBJ), [which are feather light compared to your boat anchors] the Wilwood are 10 POUNDS lighter,, PER WHEEL. For you it'd have to be closer to 20lb per wheel savings,,,which will make acceleration, braking and motion control that much easier.
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Re: Wilwood hubs / wheel offset change ('73 and up)
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08/30/18 02:36 PM
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Thanks for the help guys. Piecing all this together and seeing the costs add up very quickly makes me hesitant to pull the trigger, and all for 'just' some weight savings and possibly ending up with an even little bit wider track-width on my car. As for brake-performance this will hardly any to no improvement over the current 11.75" C-body rotors and 2.75" diameter calipers I already have on the car. The weight savings is significant in terms of sprung weight, weight distribution and moment of inertia. Compared to my 10" drums(34.4lb with knuckle and LBJ), [which are feather light compared to your boat anchors] the Wilwood are 10 POUNDS lighter,, PER WHEEL. For you it'd have to be closer to 20lb per wheel savings,,,which will make acceleration, braking and motion control that much easier. What dia rotors and thickness are you running? What calipers are you running ?
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Re: Wilwood hubs / wheel offset change ('73 and up)
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08/30/18 07:57 PM
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Thanks for the help guys. Piecing all this together and seeing the costs add up very quickly makes me hesitant to pull the trigger, and all for 'just' some weight savings and possibly ending up with an even little bit wider track-width on my car. As for brake-performance this will hardly any to no improvement over the current 11.75" C-body rotors and 2.75" diameter calipers I already have on the car. The weight savings is significant in terms of sprung weight, weight distribution and moment of inertia. Compared to my 10" drums(34.4lb with knuckle and LBJ), [which are feather light compared to your boat anchors] the Wilwood are 10 POUNDS lighter,, PER WHEEL. For you it'd have to be closer to 20lb per wheel savings,,,which will make acceleration, braking and motion control that much easier. What dia rotors and thickness are you running? What calipers are you running ? Since this forum hasn't changed since 1997, its a pain to post pics 10.75" x .81" vented Forged Dynalite Internal 24.4lb, knuckle, LBJ, Rotor, Caliper post 213 for pics https://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/thr...post-1972081637
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Re: Wilwood hubs / wheel offset change ('73 and up)
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It's not a pain to post pictures.
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Re: Wilwood hubs / wheel offset change ('73 and up)
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Im using the 11533 hubs along with 13"×1.25" spec 37 rotors, aluminum hats and wilwood grand national III 6 piston calipers trailing mounted with custom mounts. And those weigh more than Willwood’s smallest street rotor 10.75 x .81” caliper combo. Those two Willwood brake setups placed side by side would br quite a difference.
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Re: Wilwood hubs / wheel offset change ('73 and up)
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08/31/18 01:09 AM
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My setup weighed 41.8lbs...thats with spindle, hub w/ 3" arp studs and lug nuts, bearings, lower bj and steering arm, camber spacers, rotor and hat, calipers and pads and all associated fasteners.
It is heavier than the previous setup posted...i kinda missed the OP asking to lose weight, i wanted a max braking setup! However I do run 18×9.5 wheels that only weigh 19lbs each so that helps balace it out lol
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Re: Wilwood hubs / wheel offset change ('73 and up)
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08/31/18 01:59 AM
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I'm building my Swinger for light weight, sprung AND unsprung. Its mostly an Autox car so giant brakes are not a priority.
Even the 10" drum spindle is lighter
I think i got this super simple procedure to attach a picture
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Re: Wilwood hubs / wheel offset change ('73 and up)
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08/31/18 09:59 PM
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I've been looking around at the Wilwood site and found that if I wanted to keep my 1.25" thick rotors and maintain the current 2.75" (5.94 sq.in) caliper piston diameter, there seems only one caliper that fits the bill, which is a single piston GM replacement-version; https://www.wilwood.com/Calipers/CaliperProd?itemno=120-5289I wonder if that GM piston will mount to the stock caliper bracket, even though I would rather have fixed calipers so I could get rid of the heavy stock bracket too. My current brake system (1973 C-body rotors, calipers & brackets);
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