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Re: Indy aluminum blocks [Re: Al_Alguire] #2542739
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Originally Posted By Al_Alguire
Casting Iron blocks is the easy part. Getting someone to machine them is a whole other issue. They are hard on equipment and that's where the costs lie after the core boxes are done.

I actually thought it was the other way around, casting being the hard part. The reason is all the block manufacture(Koleno,Mopar muscle )to me seems like they were great in designing these blocks but only produce a few shruggy

Re: Indy aluminum blocks [Re: 67autocross] #2542745
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Originally Posted By 67autocross
How far off are we from getting Keith Black blocks off the shelf? I e-mailed a couple of there suppliers about a low deck block but never heard back...would it not be the best block for a say a 1500hp build currently?

This is what I hope for a low deck block and looking to be able to take some horse power.....Thaxs fellas up

Re: Indy aluminum blocks [Re: racerx] #2542756
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Race Winning brands who is buying up everything these days has now bought out a larger share of Dart Machinery. Maybe with time we can get them to make both iron and alum big blocks and small blocks?


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Re: Indy aluminum blocks [Re: sasquatch] #2549811
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Originally Posted By sasquatch
More KBs are about 12 to 15 weeks out.The lowdeck will not be available for the future although that could change with PROVEN demand. It is true that several lowdecks were made for some of the back ordered pieces, but these were a total nightmare,and insane to produce from a cost standpoint.
I have the first wedge that I have done from soup to nuts ready to put some fire in the hole in the next day or so. I will say SO far I have been pretty happy with the way it went together. NOt a total fire breather but motor should make around 880 to 900. We shall see and I will let you guys know what I find.
Todd


Any fire in the hole on this yet? work

Re: Indy aluminum blocks [Re: racerx] #2550160
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Originally Posted By racerx
Originally Posted By sasquatch
More KBs are about 12 to 15 weeks out.The lowdeck will not be available for the future although that could change with PROVEN demand. It is true that several lowdecks were made for some of the back ordered pieces, but these were a total nightmare,and insane to produce from a cost standpoint.
I have the first wedge that I have done from soup to nuts ready to put some fire in the hole in the next day or so. I will say SO far I have been pretty happy with the way it went together. NOt a total fire breather but motor should make around 880 to 900. We shall see and I will let you guys know what I find.
Todd


Any fire in the hole on this yet? work

I want a low deck. Really would prefer a KB but since it doesn't appear to be in the cards will have to go with Indy. Damn I don't want to give them my money. Russ is such a you know what I really hate spending my money on their stuff even if it is thru a dealer.


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Originally Posted By cesar perez
Make it electric and save yourself some money


Funny you say that...I got a quot from Bloodshed motorsports....The batteries were $50k


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Re: Indy aluminum blocks [Re: sasquatch] #2550592
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Originally Posted By sasquatch
....The lowdeck will not be available for the future although that could change with PROVEN demand. It is true that several lowdecks were made for some of the back ordered pieces, but these were a total nightmare,and insane to produce from a cost standpoint.
Todd
What sort of commitment are you looking for as "PROVEN" demand? Given the cost of stock blocks and all the band aids to hold them together there is a need, but I understand that there is a vast gulf from paying 500(+) for a used 230 block then girdles/aluminum caps+ additional machining and a 7500 KB unit.

Re: Indy aluminum blocks [Re: Skeptic] #2550599
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When the blocks were a lot cheaper, they weren't selling like the other brands. Now that most of the previous suppliers are out, the cost inevitably goes up to buy one. Let alone the manufacturing expenses and tooling.

I was able to go to my local dodge dealer and pick them up. I think I paid just under $3k for that one.

I would say history has shown, the demand wasn't there, and probably still isn't. I am in the same boat...When I called around this winter, nobody had anything in stock.

For me, its cash and carry...Not going to sit back for months wondering about my nearly $8k investment. You either have them or you don't.

If I was one of those manufacturers fighting with a foundry and all my machines were sitting. I would have called a billet supplier and at least kept the machinery rolling as well as development. These is not an easy field to make money for sure. But as a consumer, its still important where my money goes.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

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Re: Indy aluminum blocks [Re: Dragula] #2550617
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These posts always end up the same by the same members every-time. Some guys are just meant to run concrete filled stock crap crap with girdles (LOL) on them. I wonder where the costs savings comes in.


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Re: Indy aluminum blocks [Re: racerx] #2550884
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Indy blocks are made from melted down 1980s folding lawn chairs .



Buyer beware .



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Re: Indy aluminum blocks [Re: racerx] #2550900
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KBs are just around the corner to the public. There are two companies machining the new design raw cast blocks to your specs. The blocks are a work of art and almost to pretty to use. Blocks are expect to handle all that one can toss into them.

Re: Indy aluminum blocks [Re: hemicar1971] #2550919
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Originally Posted By hemicar1971
KBs are just around the corner to the public. There are two companies machining the new design raw cast blocks to your specs. The blocks are a work of art and almost to pretty to use. Blocks are expect to handle all that one can toss into them.

you got me work any ideal what the new KB block weigh?

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Re: Indy aluminum blocks [Re: go green] #2551003
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Originally Posted By go green
Indy blocks are made from melted down 1980s folding lawn chairs .


haha

Well, at least they are light weight and can be recycled. I'm hoping that my Indy block is slightly better quality than that.

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Originally Posted By go green
Indy blocks are made from melted down 1980s folding lawn chairs .



Buyer beware .

That's only funny to me because I don't own one.

Re: Indy aluminum blocks [Re: racerx] #2551170
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Originally Posted By racerx
Originally Posted By hemicar1971
KBs are just around the corner to the public. There are two companies machining the new design raw cast blocks to your specs. The blocks are a work of art and almost to pretty to use. Blocks are expect to handle all that one can toss into them.

you got me work any ideal what the new KB block weigh?



IIRC, 110 lbs. bare scope

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Originally Posted By Sammy
Originally Posted By racerx
Originally Posted By hemicar1971
KBs are just around the corner to the public. There are two companies machining the new design raw cast blocks to your specs. The blocks are a work of art and almost to pretty to use. Blocks are expect to handle all that one can toss into them.

you got me work any ideal what the new KB block weigh?



IIRC, 110 lbs. bare scope

Tnat"s Not bad...actually I thought they were a lot heavier...Thaxs.

Re: Indy aluminum blocks [Re: racerx] #2551291
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A KB is 110lbs w/caps? Supposedly an Indy is 137lbs w steel caps.
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Re: Indy aluminum blocks [Re: racerx] #2551341
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I believe the new KB might weigh a little more do to the improvements to the new support in the lifter area and a few other things such as the new billet main caps. Is the weight of 110lbs on the old KB blocks or the new KB block. When I am up at FHO I will ask Tim if he has calculated the weight of the new block and what that block was machined for. Even if the new blocks are 5 more lbs that is a huge weight saving over a Iron block. If the iron block is filled the weight saving could be over 200 lbs.


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My Mega blocked trimmed up is 274lbs w/caps.
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