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Re: DART AGREES TO MAKING SB MOPAR BLOCKS
[Re: 71Pan]
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06/21/18 01:10 AM
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slantzilla
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If this block actually happens I will probably get one.
"Everybody funny, now you funny too."
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Re: DART AGREES TO MAKING SB MOPAR BLOCKS
[Re: 71Pan]
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06/21/18 10:16 AM
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I'd just hope for a price under $4k. The Dart Big M and Little M blocks are $3k. Those are NICE blocks. Been running a big inch Little M in the Camaro for over 10 years.
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'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
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Re: DART AGREES TO MAKING SB MOPAR BLOCKS
[Re: 71Pan]
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06/21/18 10:39 AM
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Florida
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I have been needing another block for years. I continue to look for R3's, but don't hold much hope. Ritter block? Nope. Anyone who would knowingly release blocks with known issues (this assumes he had a few machined to check Quality before releasing), or releases without doing any Quality Control, leaving it to the customers to figure out the problems, will never have my business. I'll wait for Dart.
Craig Scholl CJD Automotive, LLC Jacksonville, FL www.CJDAUTOMOTIVE.com904-400-1802 "I own a Mopar. I already know it won't be in stock, won't ship tomorrow, and won't fit without modification"
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Re: DART AGREES TO MAKING SB MOPAR BLOCKS
[Re: Triple Threat]
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06/21/18 10:43 AM
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If they're $1999 I'll put my deposit down tomorrow. Me three.
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Re: DART AGREES TO MAKING SB MOPAR BLOCKS
[Re: Locomotion]
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06/21/18 12:04 PM
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They need to have one be legal and approved for Stock/Super Stock. Speaking of class racing, how much more trouble/cost might there be to offer 360 crank journal size blocks once the 340 size is ready? (For Stock classes.) Myron, You might be surprised (I was) the blocks that NHRA has approved for Stock Eliminator: Chrysler Small Block Mopar P5153478AB Ritter Racing Products XR-1 Ritter Racing Products XR-2 I don't know about the Ritter Blocks but the Mopar Block is a 340. The approval just says small block, no reference to engine size. I am pretty sure in Super Stock they don't care about bearing size, don't know for sure on Stock. You would just have to check with NHRA to be sure. Bill
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Re: DART AGREES TO MAKING SB MOPAR BLOCKS
[Re: madscientist]
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06/21/18 02:45 PM
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I don't think it's that Mopar people are cheap. I think they are sick of paying double what other makes cost and being treated like the manufacturer is doing you a favor. If they offer the block at a REASONABLE price point, they will sell. No doubt it will be more than a SBC because the volume will be less. You are NEVER going to pay SBC prices for Chrysler stuff. Poly laid out the math in fairly clear numbers. A Chrysler block costs about the same to found and machine as a Chevy. Since there are 40:1 Chevy over Chrysler that's an in sue right there. My bet is at 2k if they require anything but assembly guys are going to [censored]. Can't tell you how many guys bitched at me because the X and R blocks came rough bored and I charged extra to get the block to hone size. Virtually everyone. Want to know how many Chevy guys bitched about rough bored blocks???? A big fat ZERO. Katie bar the door if it needs a line hone...and it SHOULD and if it has to be decked (and it SHOULD) the Chrysler guys will [censored] for YEARS. Fact. I've lived through it. God knows I want this to happen. Look how bad it was for Ritter to get one up and running. If polys numbers are right and they can get em to $1999 they will have no problem selling 1000, the first two option he listed are right. Also I don't get the whole chevy volume thing, sure there may be a demand for 40 times more blocks but there are 40 blocks available RIGHT NOW and none for the SBM so one decent manufacturer should have no issue selling enough and it would be white noise to come up with another SBC block at this point. As far as the rough bore complaints go, you dont' hear the chevy guys complain about it because they CAN buy a finished block while the mopar guys had NO CHOICE to buy a finished or not block, all the chevy guys that want a finished block buy a finished block, the mopar guys who want a finished block buy an overpriced unfinished block and spend more money finishing it and waiting on the local machine shop pergatory to decide when its getting done. Sure charge us 10% 20% more but don't charge us double for an inferior product then call us tight wads for complaining or flat out not being able to afford it.
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Re: DART AGREES TO MAKING SB MOPAR BLOCKS
[Re: HotRodDave]
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06/21/18 03:24 PM
06/21/18 03:24 PM
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Washington
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I don't think it's that Mopar people are cheap. I think they are sick of paying double what other makes cost and being treated like the manufacturer is doing you a favor. If they offer the block at a REASONABLE price point, they will sell. No doubt it will be more than a SBC because the volume will be less. You are NEVER going to pay SBC prices for Chrysler stuff. Poly laid out the math in fairly clear numbers. A Chrysler block costs about the same to found and machine as a Chevy. Since there are 40:1 Chevy over Chrysler that's an in sue right there. My bet is at 2k if they require anything but assembly guys are going to [censored]. Can't tell you how many guys bitched at me because the X and R blocks came rough bored and I charged extra to get the block to hone size. Virtually everyone. Want to know how many Chevy guys bitched about rough bored blocks???? A big fat ZERO. Katie bar the door if it needs a line hone...and it SHOULD and if it has to be decked (and it SHOULD) the Chrysler guys will [censored] for YEARS. Fact. I've lived through it. God knows I want this to happen. Look how bad it was for Ritter to get one up and running. If polys numbers are right and they can get em to $1999 they will have no problem selling 1000, the first two option he listed are right. Also I don't get the whole chevy volume thing, sure there may be a demand for 40 times more blocks but there are 40 blocks available RIGHT NOW and none for the SBM so one decent manufacturer should have no issue selling enough and it would be white noise to come up with another SBC block at this point. As far as the rough bore complaints go, you dont' hear the chevy guys complain about it because they CAN buy a finished block while the mopar guys had NO CHOICE to buy a finished or not block, all the chevy guys that want a finished block buy a finished block, the mopar guys who want a finished block buy an overpriced unfinished block and spend more money finishing it and waiting on the local machine shop pergatory to decide when its getting done. Sure charge us 10% 20% more but don't charge us double for an inferior product then call us tight wads for complaining or flat out not being able to afford it. I never, ever had a Chevy guy buy a finished bore block. No engine builder with his head out of his ass would do that. You think I'm going to out my name on something I didn't have total control over? Fat chance.
Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
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Re: DART AGREES TO MAKING SB MOPAR BLOCKS
[Re: scottb]
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06/21/18 10:43 PM
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The new edelbrock head flows right up there with a W8 W9 heads so the heads are not a problem i would bet edelbrock is glad this block is coming out to support there new heads This kind of news makes me want to build a smallblock again. 
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Re: DART AGREES TO MAKING SB MOPAR BLOCKS
[Re: MattW]
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06/21/18 11:07 PM
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IMO the problem with a new block is what do you put on top of it?
W7 8 9s are going to cost you some serious $$$$$. Other than the W9, which are running dry, you need to find some cores. GOOD LUCK!!
Now I'm not saying the W series won't make power, they do but sorry guys ancient tech!
Matt Ebrock Victor would fit this bill. I’m sure they’d love to see it happen. It also appears to me there are PLENTY of 8’s/9’s out there for sale. I’m also in belief that a person looking at this block is looking at spending some “serious” $$$.
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Re: DART AGREES TO MAKING SB MOPAR BLOCKS
[Re: J_BODY]
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06/22/18 04:43 AM
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A friend is currently putting two Victor headed engines together at the moment for customers, they're not going to be huge power things, as the customer doesn't need that. They are the 59* version, but you can see there is a lot of material in them. With blocks readily available, more heads will become available
Alan Jones
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Re: DART AGREES TO MAKING SB MOPAR BLOCKS
[Re: ss/la]
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06/22/18 12:48 PM
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stock per nhra rules is supposed to have the correct journal size, super stock is allowed any size journal, that being said yours may vary I looked in the rulebook more and I agree: BLUEPRINTING
Permitted per NHRA Specifications available from NHRA
Technical Services Department headquarters. Stock, factory
OEM components (unless otherwise specified) must be
retained and remain unaltered (i.e., connecting rods, pushrods,
crankshaft, etc.).
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Re: DART AGREES TO MAKING SB MOPAR BLOCKS
[Re: mopar dave]
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06/22/18 04:35 PM
06/22/18 04:35 PM
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I would bet i could do it for between $10,000-$14,000 complete. If I could get in the 425" NA and 2+HP/cu.in. range reliably, this would interest me. I know how to do that now, but I like LAs.
If the results don't match the theory, change the theory.
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Re: DART AGREES TO MAKING SB MOPAR BLOCKS
[Re: 340Cuda]
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06/23/18 02:45 PM
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stock per nhra rules is supposed to have the correct journal size, super stock is allowed any size journal, that being said yours may vary I looked in the rulebook more and I agree: BLUEPRINTING
Permitted per NHRA Specifications available from NHRA
Technical Services Department headquarters. Stock, factory
OEM components (unless otherwise specified) must be
retained and remain unaltered (i.e., connecting rods, pushrods,
crankshaft, etc.). Per the NHRA Accepted products list under connecting rods: 360 Main Journal 2.81 Main Housing 3.003 Superceded 360 Block Main Journal 2.5 Main Housing 2.693
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