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Re: What sheen of black for road wheels
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06/07/18 12:42 PM
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I agree, semi gloss black. Most are so old or the unrestored wheels now look flat black after all of these years.
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Re: What sheen of black for road wheels
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06/07/18 07:05 PM
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Hmmm, Road wheel as a trunk spare???
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Re: What sheen of black for road wheels
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06/09/18 09:27 AM
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Not really. The plain steel wheels were painted with a cheap gloss black. The road wheels have less sheen.
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70 Road Runner 4 speed
70 Hemi Cuda vert
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Re: What sheen of black for road wheels
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06/10/18 02:13 AM
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Is there any factory documentation that specifies the paint code?
Yes there is. The 5 wheels on my '69 Barracuda are X9 color as called out on the build sheet. Plymouth X9 Black Velvet is the exterior gloss finish color used to paint bodies. See page 23-151 in the '69 Plymouth Factory service manual. The factory paint on my wheels was still shiny a few years ago when these photos were taken, despite no wash or wax or any other maintenance for decades. Definitely gloss black.
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Re: What sheen of black for road wheels
[Re: kentj340]
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06/10/18 02:36 AM
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The 5 wheels on my '69 Barracuda are X9 color as called out on the build sheet. do you have any detail pics of that tire? original spare to the car? your sheet shows T74 E70-14 "white streak" fiberglass-belted. I haven't seen any 1969 dated fiberglass-belted FIRESTONES 
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Re: What sheen of black for road wheels
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06/11/18 12:20 AM
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do you have any detail pics of that tire? original spare to the car? your sheet shows T74 E70-14 "white streak" fiberglass-belted. I haven't seen any 1969 dated fiberglass-belted FIRESTONES Not the original spare, sorry. It was among the first replacements to the factory tires sometime around 1970 or so. I drove the car from Houston to Oregon by way of Wyoming which had no speed limit back then. After a couple of hours at around 90 mph on black asphalt on a very hot, sunny day, the tires overinflated and the center tread of all 4 factory tires on the ground disappeared .
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Re: What sheen of black for road wheels
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06/12/18 11:08 AM
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Moparmike69, I need to disagree with you on this point. But to be honest, I wish I had a low mileage reference pic of each rim type side-by-side to be 100% sure. I do agree they were semi-gloss, which can be a range of sheens.
Both wheels were made by the Motor Wheel Company, and both wheels received a color topcoat. So why would Chrysler spec 1 type of black for a steel wheel and a 2nd type of black for a road wheel? It just doesn't seem logical to me.
You can disagree but you would be wrong. It has long been established that the plain black wheels are gloss black. See any correctly restored A12 car. Also it has been established that road wheels are not gloss. I have seen more than a hundred original wheels and that is what is correct.
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Re: What sheen of black for road wheels
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06/12/18 08:18 PM
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Moparmike69, I need to disagree with you on this point. But to be honest, I wish I had a low mileage reference pic of each rim type side-by-side to be 100% sure. I do agree they were semi-gloss, which can be a range of sheens.
Both wheels were made by the Motor Wheel Company, and both wheels received a color topcoat. So why would Chrysler spec 1 type of black for a steel wheel and a 2nd type of black for a road wheel? It just doesn't seem logical to me.
You can disagree but you would be wrong. It has long been established that the plain black wheels are gloss black. See any correctly restored A12 car. Also it has been established that road wheels are not gloss. I have seen more than a hundred original wheels and that is what is correct. See the link in my above referenced post. Road wheels (NOT Magnum 500’s), used two sheens of black. Gloss, for the outer rim hoop, and semi-gloss/flat for the recessed areas. This gloss black is the same black on steel wheels. I too have sourced numerous road wheels and have another low mileage unrestored set that are the same way.
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Re: What sheen of black for road wheels
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06/17/18 05:25 PM
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Is this thread about road wheels, or plain steel wheels?
If we're talking road wheels, perhaps this thread may help you?
I created this thread on DC.com how I restored a low mileage set of road wheels. The wheel hoop is a different sheen of black compared to the recessed areas. Also, the chrome center was welded in prior to the wheel being painted, so this needed to be replicated. They are very different to the previous Magnum 500's which are just completely chromed.
Hope this helps.
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,113265.0.html I was looking for the correct sheen for road wheels. This is the info I was looking for. Thank you Bill! I also don't mind the other discussions in the thread. It's all good.
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Re: What sheen of black for road wheels
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The 5 wheels on my '69 Barracuda are X9 color as called out on the build sheet. do you have any detail pics of that tire? original spare to the car? your sheet shows T74 E70-14 "white streak" fiberglass-belted. I haven't seen any 1969 dated fiberglass-belted FIRESTONES I’m not sure if you are saying you just never saw any or you aren’t sure if any were OE in 1969? I bought a new 1969 Road Runner that came with Firestone Wide Oval red streak tires. They lasted about 3,000 miles.
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