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#2508004 - 06/13/18 02:49 PM Re: 1971 Challenger w/ N-96 Fender Tag [Re: formula_s]
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Originally Posted By formula_s
Body color painted wheels on a '71 or was that the owners creative license??


Early 71 cars would still have body color wheels, they went to black mid year (don't know the exact date)

I love painted steel wheels (see avatar) but in this case I think the car would look 1000 percent better with a set of rally wheels & polyglas tires. Not to mention right, wrong or indifferent that 70 wing possibly being correct for the car wouldn't stop me from putting on the much better looking & more appropriate 71 wing.

Overall a VERY nice restoration of a really cool car that I would love to own & would only change the wheels, wing, battery & spare. This is probably the most valuable small block Challenger on the planet, but I still can't see it being worth anywhere near 75K

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#2508005 - 06/13/18 02:51 PM Re: 1971 Challenger w/ N-96 Fender Tag [Re: hemiviper588]
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Since he knows where the car comes from I wonder if he has any "back in the day" photos of the car with the shaker? Fender tag does look too clean.
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#2508009 - 06/13/18 03:04 PM Re: 1971 Challenger w/ N-96 Fender Tag [Re: Butterscotch71]
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[/quote]Am I missing something here? The ebay ad states that the rubber bumpers were added.
Also, for 71, Plymouth (on B bodies) didn't code the rubber bumpers on the fender tag either. [/quote]

Kind of. If you go back on the E Bay Auction, Scott has added that when the car was found it was wearing real rubber bumpers painted in FC7 but not much FC7 was on them. But not having the paper work to prove the car had Rubber Bumper from the factory he states that also. The build date SPD is August 26, 1970. Chrysler dropped the paint on steel wheels and painted them black I believe around the beginning of April 1971.

Also a 1971 B Body is very much like a E Body with lots of the same body panels. Since every model had big change overs in 1971 there were lots of things overlooked by Chrysler (DODGE)like the Rubber Bumper codes. It is very hard to prove that a 1971 Challenger came for rubber bumpers unless you have the paper work to prove it or pictures of the car when it was new. This is the kind of car that you can buy and drive it like you stole it and it still looks very nice with the options that the car has on it and the performance of a stroker small block.

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#2508029 - 06/13/18 03:42 PM Re: 1971 Challenger w/ N-96 Fender Tag [Re: hemiviper588]
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Jeff, pictures of the car do exist from back in the day, a previous owner shared them with Galen who still has them, I just dont have copies of them as they were not with the car when it arrived at my place. If a perspective buyer chooses, they could hire Galen (or other 3rd party) to evaluate and varify the car.

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#2508067 - 06/13/18 04:39 PM Re: 1971 Challenger w/ N-96 Fender Tag [Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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Originally Posted By ScottSmith_Harms
Jeff, pictures of the car do exist from back in the day, a previous owner shared them with Galen who still has them, I just dont have copies of them as they were not with the car when it arrived at my place. If a perspective buyer chooses, they could hire Galen (or other 3rd party) to evaluate and varify the car.


And the shaker was there? And rubber bumpers? With the documentation missing these would be something.
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#2508121 - 06/13/18 07:00 PM Re: 1971 Challenger w/ N-96 Fender Tag [Re: jeff968]
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I cant say Jeff, I havent seen them. When I spoke to Diane (Galen's secretary) she said Galen has known the car for many years and has pretty good history on the car going back multuple owners in his data base.

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#2508591 - 06/14/18 08:36 PM Re: 1971 Challenger w/ N-96 Fender Tag [Re: hemicar1971]
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Originally Posted By hemicar1971
The Rubber Bumpers are one of those stupid Chrysler things. Dodge should of used the Plymouth coding for Rubber Bumpers instead of creating their own version of codes and not putting that code on the Fender Tag. It is a lot like why does not every Cuda get a Rally Dash, why make that an option and all Challenger RTs get a Rally Dash. You would have to find original information if the Challenger had rubber bumpers, such as the window sticker or the original Dealer order form or original pictures of the car with Rubber Bumpers. Rubber Bumpers were installed on early built Challengers so this car could very well of had Rubber Bumpers.


Oh it's worse than that! The Challenger sales brochure lists A21 and A22 but those codes were never used on the Challenger because the bumpers are stand alone. Barracuda was a package because it dictated other equipment in the package.

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#2508592 - 06/14/18 08:37 PM Re: 1971 Challenger w/ N-96 Fender Tag [Re: hemiviper588]
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Originally Posted By hemiviper588
Was the M73 code ever on the fender tag for a 71 E body?


On a Challenger? NO

Barracuda used A21 or A22 and those would be on a tag.

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#2508596 - 06/14/18 08:41 PM Re: 1971 Challenger w/ N-96 Fender Tag [Re: jeff968]
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Originally Posted By jeff968
Originally Posted By ScottSmith_Harms
Jeff, pictures of the car do exist from back in the day, a previous owner shared them with Galen who still has them, I just dont have copies of them as they were not with the car when it arrived at my place. If a perspective buyer chooses, they could hire Galen (or other 3rd party) to evaluate and varify the car.


And the shaker was there? And rubber bumpers? With the documentation missing these would be something.


The shaker is real to the car and the chances of finding another set of originals in Purple is next to impossible.

Don't let the tags condition fool you. It looks just like mine on my 71 Challenger 340 which is also from Oregon

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#2508644 - 06/14/18 10:21 PM Re: 1971 Challenger w/ N-96 Fender Tag [Re: hemiviper588]
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I like it. The stroker is a nice touch - esp with the #s engine gone. Those flush/rubber bumpers must not be very common. Not an e-body guy - don't recall seeing them before. ?


Edited by Bill_T (06/15/18 12:56 AM)
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#2508722 - 06/15/18 02:24 AM Re: 1971 Challenger w/ N-96 Fender Tag [Re: hemiviper588]
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Could you order a non RT 1971 Challenger with Rubber Bumpers. I have seen some but never saw if these were original Rubber Bumper cars. The 1971 non RT Challenger I saw had the black grille and the Black out around the tail lights on the tail panel. Now if this was the way Chrysler built the 1971 Non RT Challenger then the Rubber Bumper would not be a stand alone item. The Rubber Bumpers are painted body color and the top of the Bumpers are blacked out. So rubber bumpers on a non RT Challenger would generate the tail panel to be painted black and to use a black grille instead of argent on the grille.
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#2508753 - 06/15/18 07:58 AM Re: 1971 Challenger w/ N-96 Fender Tag [Re: hemiviper588]
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I didnt think a 340 Challenger was avail as an RT.

And looking at the tread , those BFG tires are ancient. They havent used that tread pattern in years
just an observation

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#2508770 - 06/15/18 08:27 AM Re: 1971 Challenger w/ N-96 Fender Tag [Re: hemiviper588]
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Yes the tires are 80's vintage, I am pretty sure they were the result of a previous owner swapping them out from one of his other cars prior to sale. Bugged the crappola out of me too, the owner has since ordered a new set of proper Good Years that will be an option for the car when its sold.

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#2508774 - 06/15/18 08:32 AM Re: 1971 Challenger w/ N-96 Fender Tag [Re: gtx6970]
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Originally Posted By gtx6970
I didnt think a 340 Challenger was avail as an RT.

And looking at the tread , those BFG tires are ancient. They havent used that tread pattern in years
just an observation


Yes 340 available as RT - I'm sure the gurus will chime in with the exact numbers .

Where did the hood pins get coded? On the buildsheet only?

Link:

71 Shaker Challenger FC7 - Ebay
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#2508781 - 06/15/18 08:49 AM Re: 1971 Challenger w/ N-96 Fender Tag [Re: hemiviper588]
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340 was A66 non RT Challenger in 1970.
You could get a 1971 Challenger RT with a 340, a JS car. You could also get a JH 340 Challenger in 1971.
Some strange things at Mopar in the early 70s, some of it a direct result of insurance companies.
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#2508797 - 06/15/18 09:16 AM Re: 1971 Challenger w/ N-96 Fender Tag [Re: MONC]
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Originally Posted By MONC


Where did the hood pins get coded? On the buildsheet only?



J45 is the code for Hood Pins with Lanyards, If would be coded on the Fender Tag and Broad Cast Sheet.

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#2508800 - 06/15/18 09:21 AM Re: 1971 Challenger w/ N-96 Fender Tag [Re: BS27R1B]
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Originally Posted By BS27R1B
340 was A66 non RT Challenger in 1970.
You could get a 1971 Challenger RT with a 340, a JS car. You could also get a JH 340 Challenger in 1971.
Some strange things at Mopar in the early 70s, some of it a direct result of insurance companies.


Ok, I knew 1970 an Rt was 383 or larger only. wasnt sure about 71


Ps,
Rick, ck your pms

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#2508812 - 06/15/18 09:37 AM Re: 1971 Challenger w/ N-96 Fender Tag [Re: hemicar1971]
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Originally Posted By hemicar1971
Could you order a non RT 1971 Challenger with Rubber Bumpers. I have seen some but never saw if these were original Rubber Bumper cars. The 1971 non RT Challenger I saw had the black grille and the Black out around the tail lights on the tail panel. Now if this was the way Chrysler built the 1971 Non RT Challenger then the Rubber Bumper would not be a stand alone item. The Rubber Bumpers are painted body color and the top of the Bumpers are blacked out. So rubber bumpers on a non RT Challenger would generate the tail panel to be painted black and to use a black grille instead of argent on the grille.


Supposedly they added the Front only (M71) and M71 & M73 to non R/T Challengers later. This would require the black grill and tail panel to match.

I have never seen a documented M71 car or a non-R/T M73 car.

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#2508814 - 06/15/18 09:43 AM Re: 1971 Challenger w/ N-96 Fender Tag [Re: MONC]
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Originally Posted By MONC
Originally Posted By gtx6970
I didnt think a 340 Challenger was avail as an RT.

And looking at the tread , those BFG tires are ancient. They havent used that tread pattern in years
just an observation


Yes 340 available as RT - I'm sure the gurus will chime in with the exact numbers .

Where did the hood pins get coded? On the buildsheet only?

Link:

71 Shaker Challenger FC7 - Ebay


For JH23H1B and JH27H1B - 1,226
3spd - 41
4spd - 291
Auto - 894

For JS23H1B - 1,078
3spd - 34
4spd - 313
Auto - 731

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#2508992 - 06/15/18 02:34 PM Re: 1971 Challenger w/ N-96 Fender Tag [Re: hemiviper588]
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I think the JH 340 Challenger was a way to trick the insurance companies. No S in the serial number making it just a driver type Challenger. Looking back makes you think about the E Bodies that I took apart and sent off to the wreckers. But back in the late 70s early 80s there were not many factory panels left to fix these cars and the patch panel that could be bought were terrible.

Those numbers would be US production I would think.
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