Should’ve gotten a small block and oil question
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Stole an hours today to play with truck. Two months in, first time I had a chance to turn a wrench on the 77 440 truck.
Got the oil changed and found the 5 quart jug and extra quart I had wasnt enough. I thought it took 6. Didn’t make stick. Scrounged around and did have another quart or quart and a half in another jug. Barely on stick. So just how much do these things hold? I’ve had cars with aftermarket pans not hold this much. Looks to be factory tube and stick.
Went to change the valve cover gaskets. My goodness. Booster needs to come off? I got under there and loosened it up most I could without risking it falling and breaking lines. Didn’t have time to find a way to crib it. Thinking I might try a rachet strap and a block of wood next time I get a chance. Guess I could bleed the brakes but I really really don’t want to put that time in. I had to quit and get back to real life as soon as the party started.
Just shocked an old truck is that tight. I got this because it should be “easy” to work on! Got to thinking back and I might not have encountered this because so far only one car I can think of had power brakes.
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Re: Should’ve got a small block and oil question
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I’d have to take pic of booster. Not sure what it is considered. I’d say not a flat one.
Sounds like I don’t need to worry about adding any more oil. It has the shorty 068 wix on it due to an idler pulley right by it.
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Re: Should’ve got a small block and oil question
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06/06/18 01:59 PM
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If you're sure you have the stock pan, I'd do like scratchin wrote. I'd drain it real well, letting it sit for long time on a bit of an angle if you can, then close it up and add what the Factory Service Manual states it should have. Then if you don't have a reading on your dipstick, someone along the way must have put the wrong one in??? Or if it does read on stick, score it in proper place.
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Re: Should’ve got a small block and oil question
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https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNz...kFPdFAweHlBbzR3Here is a link to pics and one has an underhood shot where you can see the booster. These later 440s look to me to have taller valve covers than older stuff. It’s up on the bottom of the stick now. Unfortunately I just had some extra in a gallon jug so I don’t really know how much went in. I wonder if this issue has caused the oil leaks? It’s about where it was on the stick before the change. Seems like a lot of oil. I really don’t understand this not being the Oem tube and stick. It has a tab that matches up to a bolt. Might be the wrong stick? Might look on rockauto and see if they sell one or have a length.
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Re: Should’ve got a small block and oil question
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Remembered I had the owners manual in my desk. It shows 5 quarts for all engines, plus 1 for a filter change. I thought it might’ve been 6 plus the system when I was adding yesterday.
I could be over 7 now, just at bottom of stick. I bet this caused the leaks. You’d be at probably 9 to get to full. Wow.
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Re: Should’ve got a small block and oil question
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Have to agree here. Even this setup feels a ton better than 318 trucks.
Just wish I had more time to play with it. Have to get the major leaks fixed and now this tube deal gets thrown in the mix.
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Re: Should’ve got a small block and oil question
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The booster is correct, it's hard to remove the valve covers on these trucks with Air condition, the line out of the compressor gets in the way, trick is to twist the valve cover up the carb and pull forward.
Both my Midnite Express and the Green 78 Warlock read 2 quarts low when filled, the Midnight my dad had back to Reedmans a few times, a few dipstick tubes and indicator sticks later it still was off. My Black 74 was also off when I bought it, but after some bending and persuasion it's fine now.
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Re: Should’ve got a small block and oil question
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If you're sure you have the stock pan, I'd do like scratchin wrote. I'd drain it real well, letting it sit for long time on a bit of an angle if you can, then close it up and add what the Factory Service Manual states it should have. Then if you don't have a reading on your dipstick, someone along the way must have put the wrong one in??? Or if it does read on stick, score it in proper place. For what it's worth...I agree 10000000%
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Re: Should’ve got a small block and oil question
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Tried twisting and it was a no go. Thought loosening the booster would be plenty enough. Super frustrated to burn that valuable garage time and twisting my back up on,y to be just a fraction short. If I had a helper to hold I would’ve probably risked the lines. Making a deadman rig of some kind can be done, the cab jacking is a good idea. Great actually.
I can’t say the manifolds leak. Too much oil drips on them to say. Doesn’t sound it. Haven’t had truck long enough to figure stuff like that out. At this rate it’s looking like 2027 before I get around to that.
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Re: Should’ve got a small block and oil question
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Thanks. Forgot about the copper. Been years since I used any. Probably a good idea.
Wp bolt is a pita. Few I got lucky and nipple isn’t rusted on. Mostly have been rough deal.
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