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Re: "Bigger than a big block small block" F.A.S.T./SUPERCAR [Re: plumebody] #250539
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Maybe because they weren't "production" cars. They were considered a dealer add on.




Exactly.


Got the rotating assembly in and crank scrapers installed last night. I'm going to do the cam tonight but I'll be posting about the heads today.


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Re: "Bigger than a big block small block" F.A.S.T./SUPERCAR [Re: CJK440] #250540
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Maybe because they weren't "production" cars. They were considered a dealer add on.




Exactly.


Got the rotating assembly in and crank scrapers installed last night. I'm going to do the cam tonight but I'll be posting about the heads today.




but if it were a factory option, it would be OK? hmm.....how 'bout a '63 studebaker lark with a supercharged 289 R3?


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Re: "Bigger than a big block small block" F.A.S.T./SUPERCAR [Re: CJK440] #250541
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Very nice Chris, i can read stuff like that build all day long. Better hurry up the season is coming soon. What`s you goal for the year? (with good air and good track)


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Re: "Bigger than a big block small block" F.A.S.T./SUPERCAR [Re: patrick] #250542
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but if it were a factory option, it would be OK? hmm.....how 'bout a '63 studebaker lark with a supercharged 289 R3?




I think there is one in the works right now.


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Re: "Bigger than a big block small block" F.A.S.T./SUPERCAR [Re: DaveDudek] #250543
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Very nice Chris, i can read stuff like that build all day long. Better hurry up the season is coming soon. What`s you goal for the year? (with good air and good track)




I have to get it track ready for April 4th @ E-town which will probably be more of a shakedown/test and tune for me. Doubt I'll get to the track earlier.

I'd like to go faster than 11.50's

I hope to install it this weekend.


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Re: "Bigger than a big block small block" F.A.S.T./SUPERCAR [Re: CJK440] #250544
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but if it were a factory option, it would be OK? hmm.....how 'bout a '63 studebaker lark with a supercharged 289 R3?




I think there is one in the works right now.




I'm pretty sure there is one in Pure Stock PSMCDR. There are several Studes that regualrly compete there. Would make a good platform for FAST 4 sure.

Re: Building a "bigger than a big block small block" [Re: Dragula] #250545
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I like the build you have going in the link, what did the crank run you?




Honestly I don't remember the exact $ wasn't cheap but its a nice piece. I got it thru Dram.


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Re: Building a "bigger than a big block small block" [Re: CJK440] #250546
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Update.

I got a quite a bit more done and plan to drop the sucker in today and fire it tomorrow.

I'm going thru more than just the engine details too.


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Re: Building a "bigger than a big block small block" [Re: CJK440] #250547
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Looks like a sweet build!


Allen Here's a novel idea, let's not throw a bunch of parts at the car hoping it will fix the problem and instead spend a little time diagnosing it first. Life was a little easier when I was just a wrench.
Re: Building a "bigger than a big block small block" [Re: CJK440] #250548
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I really like this stuff as well. I love the stock look of a factory musclecar but not 15 second performance. This stuff is great.

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Re: Building a "bigger than a big block small block" [Re: RUNCHARGER] #250549
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Back when I was involved with FAST as the Tech Director I had a 72 Duster that I was planning a 433" (4.1 x 4.1) 340 TQ/904 that I thought had the capabilities to go inthe 10's (this was about a year before Wayne hit Stride with the Vette (the next year in fact) and I think I was trying to convince Dave into switching to an Auto).

I thought with enough port work to the intake and the Head (I've worked plenty of X's and J's) an A body could dip into the 10's with the right air. the issue for me was with more stroke and a few FAST legal traction tricks it could work provided we could overcome the small 14" E-70 footprint of the FAST legal tire. I knew a hidden stutter box could kill the low end until we got rolling but keeping the tire planted while big torque rolled in was always the quandry. Plus the fact that at the time I was the Tech guy so I had to put my plans on the shelf and remain unbiased.

I thought a 433" motor with a 6.25" rod, a 2.055 or 5/16 stem 2.08 intake and a moon pie slug would be the best way to squeeze the last bit of power up top where the wedge head would have a hard time keeping up with the hemis and canted valve motors.

The cam is tricky, you gotta ET by maximizing the torque in the middle 'cause you can't use it all off the line and your big end is limited by the intake and the shorty-short rod ratio will start to lay off the cylinder pressure at high piston speeds.

I've been following you and your car very closely, I believe we met before you went to the 416

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Re: Building a "bigger than a big block small block" [Re: Streetwize] #250550
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I think we met a while back in Columbus before I was building a car. I had a Curious Yellow 71 cuda at the time.

I contemplated a few rides, one being an A12 car and the other an off brand, and of course a 71-72 Duster. This car was my buddies and I bought it off of him.

I think its the most competitive small block mopar.


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Re: Building a "bigger than a big block small block" [Re: CJK440] #250551
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Cool write up on that engine build. You going to have it at Carlisle again this year?

Re: Building a "bigger than a big block small block" [Re: 69Cuda340S] #250552
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Cool write up on that engine build. You going to have it at Carlisle again this year?




Yup, more than once too.

The Supercar series teamed with Carlisle to have all makes race and display at all three Ford, GM and Mopar events. So the plan is to be at all three with the Duster.

Last year the small blocks really shined on the 1/8th mile track.


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Re: Building a "bigger than a big block small block" [Re: CJK440] #250553
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I love this stuff. It might be the closest thing to old time drag racing there is left. Just wish i was rich enough to play. FAST is not a poor man's game...

Re: Building a "bigger than a big block small block" [Re: Pale_Roader] #250554
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Great work Chris, thanks for sharing your speed secrets. Most of the time we would never know the details under the carburetor.

Re: Building a "bigger than a big block small block" [Re: Pale_Roader] #250555
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Just wish i was rich enough to play. FAST is not a poor man's game...




To win the whole shebang? Yeah. But since a dead stock car or clone is legal you can still have fun without spending too much money.

It depends how you go about it and what you want to get out of it.


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Re: Building a "bigger than a big block small block" [Re: CJK440] #250556
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I was always interested in FAST but now this post is something i look forward to everyday haha....i need more info and pics on the duster. Looks like a really beautiful car, nice work.

Re: Building a "bigger than a big block small block" [Re: 69B3GT] #250557
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Yeah, i remember the Cuda

I'm not sure how big you can hog the manifold to but there'sa LOT of POWER there if you can get it fed properly.

I'd be interested in the Cam Dwayne picked...we're almost 'telapathic' in our selections most of the time...

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Re: Building a "bigger than a big block small block" [Re: Streetwize] #250558
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Yea, I was told when my 340 stroker got dyno'd (426 cubes) that the intake manifold was at the head of the line in terms of choking the engine of air it needed to make more power and take full advantage of all the extra cubes, followed closely by the exhaust manifolds and the hyd. cam I chose to run.

Hogging out a cast iron TQ intake is no walk in the park! I guess if you did some hand porting, and had it extrude honed to the max you might get the best flow/volume one could expect short of sawing one into pieces, porting it to death, then welding it all back together.

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