Re: 440 Dart Carnage ! Bye Bye 727
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Good Job. This is the 'peeling the onion' approach to finding the weakest part in the search for higher performance. More money and more muscular hardware is the solution but You know that. Good looking car. Keep Going! Not good and it APPEARS the Dana was stock but still didn't make it yet my 8 3/4's been in the 9's and low 1.3 60 ft's for many years........... Hope it's an easy fix for you guys...........
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Re: 440 Dart Carnage ! Bye Bye 727
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Hey Thumper, what has been done to your 8-3/4 to make it live?? Thinking about ours, nodular, back brace, etc.?
Thanks, Joe Just back-braced for around 15 years w/stock caps and 30 spline Dutchman axles but now I run the Nodular Dr.Diff 3 rd member w/forged caps and stepped up to his 35 spline axles..........1.33 best 60 ft. so far footin to 2200 rpm's then stomp..........
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Re: 440 Dart Carnage ! Bye Bye 727
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Where does it say he broke a Dana? It says bye bye 727.
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Re: 440 Dart Carnage ! Bye Bye 727
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Where does it say he broke a Dana? It says bye bye 727. The video shows the broken ring gear, which helped to take out the trans.
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Re: 440 Dart Carnage ! Bye Bye 727
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Where does it say he broke a Dana? It says bye bye 727. The video shows the broken ring gear, which helped to take out the trans. I'd think the gear box took out the rear end. All I saw was a chipped tooth on the gear.
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Re: 440 Dart Carnage ! Bye Bye 727
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Where does it say he broke a Dana? It says bye bye 727. In the vid at the end it shows broken ring gears..........
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Re: 440 Dart Carnage ! Bye Bye 727
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Doh, guess I should watch the whole thing! lol
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Re: 440 Dart Carnage ! Bye Bye 727
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yup sprag was rolled I would bet on the rear taking out the trans. Sudden rear lockup for an instant can strip the planetary splines, take out the sprag?
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Re: 440 Dart Carnage ! Bye Bye 727
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yeah we put used gears in the dana and didn't notice any stress fractures or cracks but they went. they were set up by a diff shop with a good rep. sometimes [censored] happens i guess. thats racing. she already back up and running. this was two weeks before MATS. we thrashed and made the race.
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Re: 440 Dart Carnage ! Bye Bye 727
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thank you ! happens in racing ! we'll keep after it ! Good Job. This is the 'peeling the onion' approach to finding the weakest part in the search for higher performance. More money and more muscular hardware is the solution but You know that. Good looking car. Keep Going!
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Re: 440 Dart Carnage ! Bye Bye 727
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Hey Thumper, what has been done to your 8-3/4 to make it live?? Thinking about ours, nodular, back brace, etc.?
Thanks, Joe Limit your track visits is the best insurance Knock on wood I hold my breath every time my son leaves go of his transbrake in his Duster. We both know with 1.30 sixty foots and weekly Racing his 8 3/4 is being pushed.
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Hey Thumper, what has been done to your 8-3/4 to make it live?? Thinking about ours, nodular, back brace, etc.?
Thanks, Joe Limit your track visits is the best insurance That's what I do Jay Glad you got it fixed Moparman619. Car sounds good.
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Re: 440 Dart Carnage ! Bye Bye 727
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two things to consider when thinking about a rear end horsepower and weight..
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Hey Thumper, what has been done to your 8-3/4 to make it live?? Thinking about ours, nodular, back brace, etc.?
Thanks, Joe Limit your track visits is the best insurance LOL, I was thinking the same thing.
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Re: 440 Dart Carnage ! Bye Bye 727
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How many 9 sec passes have you made in 15 years Dom?
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Re: 440 Dart Carnage ! Bye Bye 727
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How many 9 sec passes have you made in 15 years Dom? In all fairness the car in this video isn’t running 9’s either
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Re: 440 Dart Carnage ! Bye Bye 727
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How many 9 sec passes have you made in 15 years Dom? I don't keep track as I'm not a Pro drag racer or bracket guy but more than some slower cars who kill their 8 3/4's in short order and again, who cares and all good on my end cos I KNOW what I have and I've tested 100+ carbs on my car and drive it like at the track to properly verify afr's and power but must say, my motors tired and time for a freshening............
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Re: 440 Dart Carnage ! Bye Bye 727
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I don't want to sound like a jerk but if you have a car that can run in the 9's and use a transbrake at a track and the car hooks up, a 8 3/4" rear end will brake.
I'll even through out a number, whithin 15-20 launches.
Foot driving will keep them alive, Brett Miller is proof of that. Totally agree and probably my saving grace as well as Bret and other FAST azz cars and a 9" will be the rear of choice when the time comes to step up............
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Re: 440 Dart Carnage ! Bye Bye 727
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The worst beating happens in the first foot or two. I would have to think a very efficient converter behind a high torque bigblock is the toughest on the ring and pinion, if you don't use a brake and it hooks hard.
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hahahah yes we're back together now ! Oh man that's ruff. Bummer your stuff went 'clunk'. Hope the fix is quick and good in time for your next run. That dana looked like an old hockey player missing all those teeth.
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the blue duster we run still has an 8 3/4 in it
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I don't want to sound like a jerk but if you have a car that can run in the 9's and use a transbrake at a track and the car hooks up, a 8 3/4" rear end will brake.
I'll even through out a number, whithin 15-20 launches.
Foot driving will keep them alive, Brett Miller is proof of that. I've been running my 8 3/4 with a alum center for years.. the car is light.. leave the line at 5600 rpm shift at 8200.. I broke a totally stock one when a cap broke(thats when I changed to the alum center.. weight is the killer EDIT every launch running a trans brake
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I've been running my 8 3/4 with a alum center for years..
Keep it off the track, and a 8.75 will live forever.... here’s your proof! 8 3/4 have their places.. let's face it if you're making a fair amount of power in a heavy car it won't last very long on a decent track..💣
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I've been running my 8 3/4 with a alum center for years..
Keep it off the track, and a 8.75 will live forever.... here’s your proof! BS,Beat the hell out of em on the street AND the track in a slo azz mid 9 second car in the low 1.3 60's and IT will live for many, many happy years.................
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I've been running my 8 3/4 with a alum center for years..
Keep it off the track, and a 8.75 will live forever.... here’s your proof! BS,Beat the hell out of em on the street AND the track in a slo azz mid 9 second car in the low 1.3 60's and IT will live for many, many happy years................. Not worth my time.. I guess he built a tank and the 8 3/4 broke.. my car is light and its holding up fine with a back brace and the alum center
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Posts like this could go on forever and are a waste of time. Some cars sit in the garage for years without hitting the tracks so unless you have some numbers on passes, et’s, weight, etc etc etc it’s “fake news”.
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I've been running my 8 3/4 with a alum center for years..
Keep it off the track, and a 8.75 will live forever.... here’s your proof! BS,Beat the hell out of em on the street AND the track in a slo azz mid 9 second car in the low 1.3 60's and IT will live for many, many happy years................. Not worth my time.. I guess he built a tank and the 8 3/4 broke.. my car is light and its holding up fine with a back brace and the alum center No doubt about being light helping and of course foot-breaking helps a BUNCH............
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It is funny how some go rounds for years and some break in the burnout box first time out......
I once saw a Falcon do a burnout and spit the pion and driveshaft from his 9" Ford twenty feet past the starting line. So I suppose all big pion 9" Ford's are junk all so?
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I ran a 8.750 for a lot of years and everyone said that it won't hold and will break,,one year at Norwalk in the middle of eliminations it said good bye and spit a tooth out of the rear of the housing,, ruined my day, but they were right, eventually they will break, just a matter of when.
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I once saw a Falcon do a burnout and spit the pion and driveshaft from his 9" Ford twenty feet past the starting line.
This one?
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I once saw a Falcon do a burnout and spit the pion and driveshaft from his 9" Ford twenty feet past the starting line.
This one? I've seen that mode of failure many times over the years. Nine-inchers love to do that.
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I once saw a Falcon do a burnout and spit the pion and driveshaft from his 9" Ford twenty feet past the starting line.
This one? I've seen that mode of failure many times over the years. Nine-inchers love to do that. Racers can break ANYTHING. Back when my Daytona was running 8.60's I lite both stage lights at Norwalk, floored it, and left go of the trans-brake button. The 9 inch rearend broke and never even moved out of the stage beems. I'm gonna say I had about 1100 runs on those gears and they were in the car when I bought it.
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Most of the 9" I've seen do that didn't have a nodular housing in it.
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It is funny how some go rounds for years and some break in the burnout box first time out......
I once saw a Falcon do a burnout and spit the pion and driveshaft from his 9" Ford twenty feet past the starting line. So I suppose all big pion 9" Ford's are junk all so? I had a 31 spline Ford 9" in my 440 Demon. MILD engine. I took out 5-6 rear ends before I gave up. WAR cases, nodular cases, new gears every time, set up buy 4 different guys. No Ford 9" rears for me. I know they work for lots of guys. I'll pass though...
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A good friend of mine raced a 64 300 K for 45 years, ran 11.0s @ 4100 lbs and only broke the 8 3/4 one time in the thirty years I knew him.
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Now let's talk about cast iron heads. Lol
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"Little"John
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Posts: 20,116
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Now let's talk about cast iron heads. Lol I went 9.80's with them 35 years ago with 906's heads and pop-up pistons but I had a Dana rearend in the car so does that count?
1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27
Livin and lovin life one day at a time
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