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Re: . Help diagnose strange noise in drivetrain
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Looks like the nose off a Mini-starter...
Hmm. Now that you mention it, that piece on the left looks like part of a starter.
And the piece on the right I'm waiting for someone from Keisler to ID... 
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Re: . Help diagnose strange noise in drivetrain
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Yep it's the front of the mini starter that broke off. It's got probably less than 50 start ups and it already busted.  Is nothing made well anymore??  Thanks guys for the advice as you pointed me in the right direction of where to look.  Stu
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Re: . Help diagnose strange noise in drivetrain
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My son just had the same thing happen on his car, but the whole nose of the starter broke off, right back to the mounting. Jammed in the ring gear and he thought the motor had seized up.
Oh goody so now it's a class action thing!!!!!!!!!! Where are the mini starter tar and feather smiles!! 
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Re: . Help diagnose strange noise in drivetrain
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03/11/09 10:38 AM
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whats the round piece? What part of the mini starter is that?
and lets see a picture of the broken starter!
Any ideas why it broke? maybe it had been dropped before it was installed??? If its some sort of alignment issue with the ring gear, the next one could break just as fast.
btw, how does the ring gear look?
The piece that broke off is the front end of the mini starter and from what i can see via the inspection area there is no damage to the ring gear luckly. The shop that installed the Keisler transmission is going to replace the mini starter in a few days as they sold it to me. I have no idea why it would break other then a bad casting on the part of the manufacture of the starter. Hopefully yhe next one will not do this again. I drive the roadrunner like a little old lady so i know the breakage was not from any abuse on my part.
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Re: . Help diagnose strange noise in drivetrain
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Hey Stu i think you have a bolt or a nut loose somewhere...perhaps on the starter  
More likely in my head. 
I was thinking the nut behind the wheel might be a bit loose, too.
My son just had the same thing happen on his car, but the whole nose of the starter broke off, right back to the mounting. Jammed in the ring gear and he thought the motor had seized up.
did you sons car have a keisler tranny? johnahah may be on to something
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Re: . Help diagnose strange noise in drivetrain
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Ok i took off the Torque Converer inspection plate and found these parts rattling around in there. What are they??
stu do those 2 pieces fit together ?
I'm going out on a limb and say the Kieselr trans does not have a pilot for the snout of the starter to fit it , so I would be curious to know WHY that broke off
Yes John, the two pieces do fit together to make the nose cone of the starter. I have no idea why it broke but the shop who did the tranny install put the ministarter in at the same time. They are sending a tech over to my place right now to see it.
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Re: . Help diagnose strange noise in drivetrain
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03/11/09 05:52 PM
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Glad you found the problem Stu. I was going to suggest removing all the empty  cans from the trunk and see if that would have made a difference. 
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Re: . Help diagnose strange noise in drivetrain
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No. it,s a stock Brand X. The starter is very similar to the minis, though.
It may be as John says, that the starter is not fitting correctly in the bell housing. If it's being forced out of alignment slightly when it's mounted it could put too much stress on the nose of the starter.
If it has too much opening, the torque of the starter may cause the pilot end of the snout to flex away from the ring gear and stress the housing in the opposite direction.
Either way could result in a fracture over time.
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