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Re: Who has used the new MM block? [Re: Dragula] #2492993
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Originally Posted By Dragula
Now I am being negative......Well, I will go somewhere else then. Have a nice day...




I'm sorry you are so touchy but I say it like it is. It isn't "black magic" to make what is available for Mopars to make them run. Heck an edelbrock headed wedge runs high 8's at Keystone too and we aren't some east coast super track. open your eyes and you shall see.


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Re: Who has used the new MM block? [Re: pittsburghracer] #2492995
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Originally Posted By pittsburghracer
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Originally Posted By racerx
Gene Nagie’s Dart pounds out 4.60’s and is at Keystone every week bracket racing. Quit being a “negative Nancy” and join the fun.


what's he running for a drivetrain gen-hemi or ?.



Indy headed wedge engine.





Here he is racing my Son Yesterday 5-5-18.


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Re: Who has used the new MM block? [Re: AndyF] #2492999
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Originally Posted By AndyF
I don't think it would be that hard to build a Mopar block. If BBM can produce FE blocks then they can do Mopar blocks. The blocks are roughly the same in many ways. Deck height, cross bolted mains, etc. I just don't think there is any magic involved.

If I was willing to invest the money (which I'm not) I'd just go visit BBM and talk to them about what it would take to do a Mopar block. I wouldn't do anything tricky, just a reproduction RB block that is thicker and stronger with cross bolted mains.


There are also Cleveland blocks being made.... I have no idea how many they'd sell but I dont imagine them being a high volume seller, even because in part blocks already exist for SBF - many cleveland builds are just based on windsor blocks that dart and world make.

And they are available in cast iron apparently, as well as CGI, and aluminum. I assume the same foundry handles all three castings.

http://www.tmeyerinc.com/product/track-boss-cleveland-block/

Here are some pics of the cleveland and the foundry that casts them.








This aussie A body won best of show at the biggest annual mopar show with a HP Performance built Gen2 Hemi using the HP block, so when it comes to alu there is also HP along with the others that everyone here knows about.




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Re: Who has used the new MM block? [Re: lumen8] #2493009
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Most Ford guys in Australia are running a Cleveland engine, so those blocks would sell alright over here. Arrow are making a Cleveland block as well.


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Re: Who has used the new MM block? [Re: LA360] #2493225
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RE: Tim Meyer Inc. Track Boss

Tim Meyer posts on Facebook and two days ago posted the latest info on the Track Boss 351C. He's got Track Boss #1 built and on the dyno. The engine is doing its shakedown runs.

It's a far cry from having them ready to order.

This is an aluminum block. Iron blocks? Maybe around the corner. Now Tim Meyer is a competent machinist and engine builder, who has a financial base as an existing concern. He has a better than average chance of getting at least one of the alloys into production. But I'd be willing to bet it won't be all three.

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^ OK.... so far from a done deal on the iron cleveland.

Does anyone know if these cast steel blocks exist or are they a unicorn? ....

http://www.hpperformancellc.com/store#!/Cast-Iron-Hemi-Block/p/12528197/category=2880288

Obviously the alu ones do as theres one in the orange thing I posted earlier.

Trying to put Hemi heads on a wedge specific block is one thing, but the other way around doesnt seem entirely impossible to me looking at those blocks, move the inner row of head bolt holes on the head, then use a bolt from ontop and a nut in the valley like a hemi... leave the block alone....messy but probably doable with some of the heads.


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Re: Who has used the new MM block? [Re: Hot 340] #2493520
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I talked to him years ago. “ They are almost done” is the word. Just what everyone says. Several alum ones are out with problems. One guy on the board has one and it has problems. I’m sure he will chime in. I’ll be ever surprise if an iron hemi will ever get done.

Re: Who has used the new MM block? [Re: AndyF] #2493649
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Originally Posted By AndyF
I don't think it would be that hard to build a Mopar block. If BBM can produce FE blocks then they can do Mopar blocks. The blocks are roughly the same in many ways. Deck height, cross bolted mains, etc. I just don't think there is any magic involved.

If I was willing to invest the money (which I'm not) I'd just go visit BBM and talk to them about what it would take to do a Mopar block. I wouldn't do anything tricky, just a reproduction RB block that is thicker and stronger with cross bolted mains.


This right here, copy the original but more meat where needed for strength like bores and cross bolted mains so people have a solid foundation without costing a fortune. This would still give the big dollar guys something to work with also, they can spend the money they would have on a fancier block reworking oiling and adding whatever "features" they deem so important and it gives the lower dollar guys something to work with and not have to pay for all the bells and wistles just because some rich guy wants them. Andy put drysump on a stock block I think, there are (or at least used to be) hemi heads for wedge blocks, external oil pickups can be added, big roller cam journals can be added, lifter bores moved especially if they add a little extra meat in the valley. I think the problem is all these companies try to do a block from scratch so it costs a fortune and they never happen. Start simple and add features once you get blocks flowing.


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Re: Who has used the new MM block? [Re: AndyF] #2493771
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Originally Posted By AndyF
There are a two or three vendors casting Ford FE blocks and I can't imagine that the FE market is larger than the Mopar market. I know there are a lot of Ford cars out there but there are not a lot of guys running FE engines. The FE block is pretty close to a Mopar block in a lot of ways so if someone like Bear Blocks can produce a FE block then I don't see any reason a vendor couldn't make Mopar blocks.

I think some of it is just bad luck. For whatever reason the people who so far have chosen to cast Mopar blocks haven't had the talent or the money or the time to make it happen correctly. Cast iron engine blocks are a very well known commodity by now. Millions of them have been cast over the years. The machining process is also well understood. People know what feeds and speeds and tools need to be used to hit the tolerances. It really just boils down to hiring the correct people and throwing enough money at it until the issues are solved.

I'm no authority, but I do know Ford trucks used FE motors to at least 1976 (390's), and the truck market was and is huge. Before diesels, the big blocks ruled the 4x4 trucks in general.

Re: Who has used the new MM block? [Re: Hot 340] #2493801
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I'll ask the question again.

Does the new Iron blocks even exist?

Re: Who has used the new MM block? [Re: KD800X] #2493950
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Originally Posted By KD800X
I'll ask the question again.

Does the new Iron blocks even exist?


Yes they do i spoke with the supplier on sunday and he told me theres about a 5 week lead time as of right now
I mentioned a guy with his block at Best Machine they were going over it to see if there was any issue only thing they said was oil pump bolt holes are alittle off and oil pump mounting holes will need to be opened up to line it up and the lifter bores had a taper
I attached a pic of his block which he picked up from Best of the weekend.

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Re: Who has used the new MM block? [Re: Hot 340] #2493962
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Damn, that looks heavy!!


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Re: Who has used the new MM block? [Re: merpar] #2494024
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Originally Posted By merpar
After reading 3 pages. All I can say is WOW! Hey Poly, do you care?


I don't think poly did that whistling


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Re: Who has used the new MM block? [Re: Old School] #2494029
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Originally Posted By Old School
Damn, that looks heavy!!

Seriously... that's one massive chunk o' iron. eek

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The mega blocks sure as heck weren’t light. Lol. If you want strong and light buy an aluminum block. Ohhhh that’s right, you lose horsepower with an aluminum block. Lmao.


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Originally Posted By pittsburghracer
The mega blocks sure as heck weren’t light. Lol. If you want strong and light buy an aluminum block...

Last I heard, BB Mopar aluminum blocks are a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside a foundry. whistling

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Originally Posted By pittsburghracer
The mega blocks sure as heck weren’t light. Lol. If you want strong and light buy an aluminum block...

Last I heard, BB Mopar aluminum blocks are a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside a foundry. whistling





That's not what my eyes have witnessed.


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422 Indy headed small block
5.982@112.56 mph
9.42@138.27

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Re: Who has used the new MM block? [Re: pittsburghracer] #2494071
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Originally Posted By pittsburghracer
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The mega blocks sure as heck weren’t light. Lol. If you want strong and light buy an aluminum block...

Last I heard, BB Mopar aluminum blocks are a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside a foundry. whistling


That's not what my eyes have witnessed.

If they're quality blocks, that's good to hear.

Re: Who has used the new MM block? [Re: pittsburghracer] #2494106
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Originally Posted By pittsburghracer
The mega blocks sure as heck weren’t light. Lol. If you want strong and light buy an aluminum block. Ohhhh that’s right, you lose horsepower with an aluminum block. Lmao.



Yeah but taking up to 200 lb off the nose of your car that's got to be worth something.....


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Re: Who has used the new MM block? [Re: Old School] #2494145
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Originally Posted By Old School
Damn, that looks heavy!!

but if it holds together are you going to complain ?
As an aside , are the aluminium ( Indy , World ? ) good enough for daily driving or more a race only item ?

Tex


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