Deck or not:318?
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04/26/18 05:34 PM
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In the middle of my 318 build and am wondering should I deck the block or mill down the heads, to raise compression. I roughly am calculating a 8.85 to 1 CR, showing my figures below. This will be an all street cruiser/no racing, just for fun car, want to run pump gas. Here are some stats: 71 ebody, auto 42rh built up, 318 at .30 over (original block), sidewinder alum heads (waiting to order), .028 compress. thickness head gaskets, H814CP30 Speed Pro hypuerectic pistons, Lunati retro roller hyd. cam 270/279 .515/.530 lift, Thermoquad '73 4 brl carb., no intake selected yet but alum., prob. use 1 5/8 headers.
Here is my calculations for CR using Diamond Pistons website, I did an educated guess on top of piston ring to top of block of 7/16":
Enter the number of cylinders of your engine 8 Bore 3.94 Stroke 3.31 Rod Length 6.123 Gasket Bore 4.14 Comp. Gasket .028 Block Deck Height 9.60 Top Ring Down .4375 Chamber Volume CC 63 Dome/Dish Volume 0 Piston to Deck .067 dimension results: Total Volume 745.57 Cylinder Volume 661.34 Clearance Volume 84.23 Gasket Volume 6.17 Top Ring Volume 1.68 Deck Volume 13.38 Piston Top Land 3.902 1/2 Stroke 1.655 Compression Ht. 1.755 Cubic Inches 322.85
For the given dimensions, your compression ratio = 8.85
Do you see any errors in my calculations? With these calculations, would recommend to deck the block, mill the heads, both, or neither?
Would you recommend 1.5 or 1.6 rockers?
Thanks!
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Re: Deck or not:318
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04/26/18 05:51 PM
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Cab...I think you're confusing the measurements here. Diamond's calculator uses the distance b/t the top of the top ring land and the top of the piston. It figures in the volume of the area b/t the piston and cylinder wall above the top ring and below the piston top.
It also uses the same measurement every other calculator uses...the top of the piston at TDC to the deck.
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Re: Deck or not:318
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04/26/18 05:58 PM
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Thanks for sharing that I use a needle tip grease gun to seal the top of the pistons at TDC to check actual cylinder volume on a "serious" motor or on any Hemi motors I build(push the piston down enough to get the top below the deck on these dang Hemiroid motors first before measuring it ) to get the compression ratio based off of the dome or dish volumes
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Re: Deck or not:318
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04/27/18 08:29 PM
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You have .095" piston to head, way too loose. If you don't deck the block, you'll have no quench regardless of chamber shape. You want the piston .007-.012" down @ TDC (.035-.040" P-H).
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Re: Deck or not:318?
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04/27/18 08:46 PM
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Though mine is a 360. 9.0-1, ported crap casting mid 80's heads, 224@.050 hyd roller, LD 340, 650 Holley, TTI headers and 2 1/2"exh, 3.55 4 speed (2.47 1st). Drag radials 12.70's @107 on 89 octane. 73 Challenger all stock street car. Doug
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Re: Deck or not:318
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04/28/18 12:16 PM
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Qwk, are you talking about the KB167? I did the calculation with that piston, puts me at .012 under stock deck height w/ CR of 9.45 to 1. I think that is what I am going to do, change out the pistons. That should be cheaper than milling the block or heads. That should put me right where I want to be.
If I were to either mill the block or head, does the intake need to be milled some? Also, what about pushrod length?
I would take .040 and that would take 8 cc out of the equation put you at .055 quench. Intake Should be mocked up before milling either the head or intake. Same with the pushrods. Mock it up for the correct geometry. I assume that you haven't checked the deck, so even with new pistons it could require decking. Or Run it. However low compression 318's don't like very much cam if you require driveability. Stock cams were what I recall some thing like 250* so your cam your looking at is maybe 4 steps bigger than stock.
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