46RE trans question
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Just rebuilt my trans, replaced all the wear parts, converter and electrics. Did a few test drives up the road, everything worked fine, shifted good. Went on a short drive (2 miles) lost all foward gears but still have reverse. Sounds like it could be the rear clutch but could something be wrong with the electrical servos in the valve body. I pulled the pan, fluids clean, nothing in the pan. About six quarts drained out. I'll check the front-rear clutch with air tonite to see if they still work (did this before installing VB, ok then). What do the experts think and what would they check before pulling trans back out.
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Re: 46RE trans question
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Check line pressure before pulling it apart. At least you have a reference point to use. There are no electrical servos in this trans. If no movement in manual low, no scrapping noises, then likely you lost the rear clutch or something in that circuit is defective.
Thanks, I thought one of those switches-whatever they're called, controls line pressure? One thing I noticed when pre-oiling the clutch discs, after they seemed fuzzy, almost nappy headed. This was a factory overhaul set without the bushings, thrust washers. Was using ATF-4 when these parts where designed for ATF-3 present a problem. 2001 trans. Getting an updated education.
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Re: 46RE trans question
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Using ATF-4 has no negative effect on the trans as a whole - in fact it has many benefits.
This trans has a governor pressure control solenoid - run by the PCM - if it had no electrical control it would default to third gear and you could still manually pull it down to low and launch the vehicle.
The other two solenoid are overdrive and lockup - simple on/off solenoid where the governor pressure control solenoid is a duty cycle (modulated) solenoid.
Since you have the valve body down just reduce your air source to 30 psi and apply the rear clutch and front clutch. Applying both of these one at a time should give you a good feel for proper application. You can hold the rear clutch retainer while applying it and you should feel it move while hearing it apply. The front clutch generally doesn't move much since it's riding on the pump support and the piston inside is just clamping the clutch pack.
Two seals on the input shaft - the rear small one and a large one on the piston support plus two lip seals in the rear clutch to apply that clutch assembly. Check the accumulator piston to make sure those seals are good too.
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Re: 46RE trans question
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If it shifted on the road trip sounds like the valve body is ok.
I'd leave well enough alone unless you've had those 4 speed valve bodies apart before or have a good service manual. There is a very small check ball that many people lose when they split the valve body from the plate.
After building the trans and before installing the valve body I would apply pressure to the rear clutch port in the case. That will verify you didn't damage any seals during frt & rr clutch installation.
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Re: 46RE trans question
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Watched a video on another post about valve body. Saw where there was a small plug that I didn't put back. The pic shows where it's at, on first tear down the clip had broken and found plunger in the filter, thought that was the only piece. Visio showed differently so I tore the filter apart and found the other plug. Would this piece cause my problems? What other damage could have been done?
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Re: 46RE trans question
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Images are not opening for me for very long - best I can see before the image disappears - it looks like you are referring to the boost valve. That increase pressure to the converter lockup piston. The metal plate on top should have a hole drilled in it if this is the area you are photographing. Has nothing to do with the gear changes or clutch failure.
The metal horseshoe that holds the boost valve in the valve body is prone to breakage.
Correction - the boost valve sees line pressure so depending on what is missing it may affect your line psi to the clutch stack.
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