Pedal Commander
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Anyone install one of these things? Looking in to one for my 2017 Ram. I believe what it does is alter the 'throttle mapping' giving the driver a truer sense of engine response when the pedal is pressed. It's not a tune and does not add horsepower. Almost every single review seems to be positive and most say it's a night and day difference in drivability. They are around $300 with a 30-day return policy. I can attest to a somewhat sluggish throttle response in my truck so I'm looking at this with interest. Any input is appreciated. Pedal Commander
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Re: Pedal Commander
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I dunno it seems like a decent thing to me. You're basically unlocking the trucks potential by taking advantage of what's already there. The issue it adresses is the factory drive by wire calibration. The stock pedal module program provides adequate but not 'spirited' throttle response. The Pedal Commander thing changes the curve to make throttle input feel more instantaneous.
A tuner might be able to do some of this but probably not as definitively as the PC. A tuner relies more on fuel curve mapping.
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Two of my buddies have them on there 6.4 Rams and say they are night and day difference. One buddy got one and let the other guy try it and he bought one also. There are using the JMS brand.
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Re: Pedal Commander
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Isn't that mostly going to make you go through more fuel during city driving? I don't know. The only thing I can say again is that the controller does not alter the fuel mapping in any way. It may make you drive with your foot in the radiator more but that has nothing to do with the unit itself. There is an economy mode but no one seems to use it. I have read where people said mileage actually increased because you don't have to hold the throttle down to get the desired effect. I've thought about this situation myself and think there might be some truth to it. On my way home from work, there is a long grade on a highway after an on ramp. It takes a while to get up to speed and to maintain speed to the crest of the hill. I watch the mileage decrease really fast on that stretch of road and it barely recovers after that. Not city driving but you get the idea.
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Re: Pedal Commander
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Here's a 80+ page thread on some random Ram site about it. Ram PC thread I didn't read the entire thing but some of the replies seem genuine and even compelling.
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Re: Pedal Commander
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I have read where people said mileage actually increased because you don't have to hold the throttle down to get the desired effect.
How does that work? All the thing does is basically press the pedal down harder for you.
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I have read where people said mileage actually increased because you don't have to hold the throttle down to get the desired effect.
How does that work? All the thing does is basically press the pedal down harder for you. I don't know if it does. From what I have read, the factory throttle position calibration says that if you have the pedal down 30% the engine would only be seeing 20% throttle. (or something like that) I'm not sure why that is and how that would benefit or worsen economy over a 1:1 pedal ratio. Like I said before, the perceived 'lag' makes it feel like you need to hold the pedal down farther and longer to get the thing to do what you want. It's possible a different pedal calibration could affect the trans programming too by fooling it into seeing more throttle input. Realistically, all that BS probably means more fuel used. Regardless, it would make the truck more 'fun' to drive if you had the sensation that pressing the gas would make the truck react faster than it does. Guess the only way to find out is to put it in and see. My mileage does not get much over 17 mpg (3.92 gear) so if it drops under what I am getting now, it probably wouldn't be worth the cost.
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Re: Pedal Commander
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If you read this please disregard. I just figured it out, wasn't thinking clearly. I'll explain how this works later as soon as I get a chance.
Last edited by Guitar Jones; 04/12/18 08:49 PM.
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Re: Pedal Commander
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OK, the throttle and pedal work off two position sensors in each unit. The voltages are not the same between the two sensors in each pedal. While one sensor may read 4.5V in an ascending scale when the pedal is being pushed, the other may be reading 4.4V in a descending scale. Different companies do the voltages differently but the important thing is they don't match but must be seen by the PCM in whatever format it's supposed to be or the PCM shuts the throttle body down so you don't get a run away car.
So the only thing this pedal commander can really do is address the voltages the PCM sees from the pedal sensors to alter the opening of the throttle blade angle in relation to the pedal. The throttle blade actuator is duty cycled. In other words there isn't a constant voltage being applied to it, instead it's rapidly applied on and off in a percentage of time. Like slow pedal application may be applying voltage at a 40% rate while rapidly applying the pedal may be at an 80% rate of duty cycle.
So this is what the pedal commander is altering. By changing the voltage rate application of the pedal it's telling the PCM to apply more duty cycle to the throttle blade actuator, opening it quicker. I hope I explained that well enough.
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Re: Pedal Commander
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OK, the throttle and pedal work off two position sensors in each unit. The voltages are not the same between the two sensors in each pedal. While one sensor may read 4.5V in an ascending scale when the pedal is being pushed, the other may be reading 4.4V in a descending scale. Different companies do the voltages differently but the important thing is they don't match but must be seen by the PCM in whatever format it's supposed to be or the PCM shuts the throttle body down so you don't get a run away car.
So the only thing this pedal commander can really do is address the voltages the PCM sees from the pedal sensors to alter the opening of the throttle blade angle in relation to the pedal. The throttle blade actuator is duty cycled. In other words there isn't a constant voltage being applied to it, instead it's rapidly applied on and off in a percentage of time. Like slow pedal application may be applying voltage at a 40% rate while rapidly applying the pedal may be at an 80% rate of duty cycle.
So this is what the pedal commander is altering. By changing the voltage rate application of the pedal it's telling the PCM to apply more duty cycle to the throttle blade actuator, opening it quicker. I hope I explained that well enough. Makes perfect sense, thanks for the detailed response. I don't believe it could be done any other way. Not sure if a 'tune' would be a better option because altering the fuel mapping could still be hampered by the factory economy-minded offsets in the TPS. You can increase the potential power in the engine all you want but if the TPS still follows the OE formua, there will still be a perceived lag in response. I'll say it again, I think the main thing this gizmo does is unlock the potential that's already there. The factory is trapped by economy figures, they can't sell trucks in 2018 that only get 14 mpg. I'm probably more in line with the doubters and am skeptical it can make such a dramatic difference but again, you can't know until it's installed.
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Re: Pedal Commander
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You are welcome. I do believe it would indeed give you a feeling of better throttle response however, I wouldn't take a vehicle in to a dealer for warranty service with it in the car.
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'92 D250 Club Cab CTD, 47RH conversion, pump tweaks, injectors, rear disc and hydroboost conversion. '74 W200 Crew Cab 360, NV4500, D44, D60 and NP205 divorced transfer case. Rear disc and hydroboost coming soon! 2019 1500 Long Horn Crew Cab 4WD, 5.7 Hemi.
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