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I picked up an automatic 64 steering column to replace my 63 three on the tree column.DVW told me to use .090X.750 CM tube to replace the steering shaft.When I went looking at removable steering wheel packages,there are MANY to choose from.What are you guys using and why? I do want to retain the signal switch as I drive the streets on a regular fair weather basis.
I also picked up a brake assembly to replace the 2 pedal assembly and want to fab an aluminum brake pedal.This is the currant to do list.
Will order a parachute mount and get that installed ASAP,,,I've been warned tsk


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I was surprised to find that the clutch assembly just bolts on the brake assembly!!


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Re: Modifying steering column [Re: hemi-itis] #2464299
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I don't know how you can retain the self cancel feature with a straight piece of tubing. If that's not an issue, it becomes personal preference and if you are trying to retain the stock wheel. I like the Strange kits. If you retain the stock shaft, Grant is the only place I know of doing the kits for stock splined shafts. I've used them and they work OK.


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The kits I have seen come with a splined end.I have a grant steering wheel but can update as it's pretty old!
Just lookin for input,there seem to be so many choices..... work


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Re: Modifying steering column [Re: CMcAllister] #2464508
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Originally Posted By CMcAllister
I don't know how you can retain the self cancel feature with a straight piece of tubing. If that's not an issue, it becomes personal preference and if you are trying to retain the stock wheel. I like the Strange kits. If you retain the stock shaft, Grant is the only place I know of doing the kits for stock splined shafts. I've used them and they work OK.

I have been told that the section of the column housing that holds the directional portion has set screws that grip the steering shaft.
Can anyone set me straight?? I have not disassembled the column yet.

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Re: Modifying steering column [Re: hemi-itis] #2464537
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There is two screws whose square heads fit on the column tube that hold the 4" round turn signal part. The "cone" part is held to the round part by two sheet metal screws. The steer wheel itself has a "wire post" that trips the turn signal plastic levers in the round part.

What you have there is very easy to take part, and you should do that to see what you need to do.

By the way, you need to pop the pins out of the connector there so as to pull that bunch of wires up through the tube to allow complete removal of the "round" part.

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Thanks,I was told to remove the bottom connector.Will replace it with a 63 switch as the end connectors changed from 63 t0 64.Also found a bearing to fit in the lower column that will fit in the tube instead of the OEM plastic one that was used for stability.
Is strange the best bet for the removable steering wheel kit?

Is the pull up ring design any better than the little release knob on the side???

http://www.jegs.com/i/Strange-Engineering/873/Q1200/10002/-1

http://www.jegs.com/i/Grant/470/8547K/10002/-1

https://quartermax.com/quick-release-hub-for-6-bolt-sparco-wheel/

http://www.jegs.com/i/JEGS-Performance-Products/555/60722/10002/-1


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Re: Modifying steering column [Re: hemi-itis] #2464687
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I used a circle track quick release hub welded to my c/m shaft. But almost any quick release will work. There are different bolt patterns/configurations on hubs, so make sure that whatever you get matches your steering wheel. The problem is going to be the way everything looks using a quick release on a stock column. Fabricating up something that looks right at the top of the column is going to be the biggest challenge.

On my stock Cuda column, I didn't use a quick release, but cut the lower portion of the column and welded tubing to it, then to a universal, more tubing and a splined universal to my Pinto rack.

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Re: Modifying steering column [Re: hemi-itis] #2464692
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You might be able to put an extension on the release knob and have it stick out the side of a fabricate shroud to look stock, almost like a secondary hazard light button.


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Re: Modifying steering column [Re: sgcuda] #2464719
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i made my whole column for my 33 "humpback" panel from scratch with the exception of starting with a tilt/telescopic knuckle from a 1976 newyorker. all the column shrouds around the tilt/tele knuckle were made because this was a column shift car. as for the quick release, it started as a speedway hex kit. i used the original steering wheel center to use as a "horn kit"/adapter for the quick release. the horn ground "contactor" was carefully fabbed from nylon and brass bar stock with non conducting epoxy used for insulation and a piece of fiberglass material. the spring used was sourced from a ball point pen. the "contactor" has .200 of travel, ensuring enough tension for a good connection. as for the turnsignal switch mounting, i copied the factory mounting points of the column shift shaft cover. the only problem i had was tilt mechanism locking lever. in hind sight, i should have used the circular 66-68 round lock [maybe]. wheel in pics is a junker, with a dummy "horn" button in place, as i have a super nice wood wheel, and a matching pistol grip e-brake handle i will be using at final assembly. didn't want them to get hacked up over time, as there is still lots to do on this car. here are some pics.
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Re: Modifying steering column [Re: hemi-itis] #2465052
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Are tilt styles SFI approved??


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Originally Posted By hemi-itis
Are tilt styles SFI approved??


that's a good question.
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Re: Modifying steering column [Re: hemi-itis] #2465213
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Any SFI approved item will have a sticker or be otherwise identified so tech guys can quickly ID it. An OE tilt style column is legal. Plenty of Super Stockers with them.

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Thanks you guys up .Now which one did you have to fab,the stainless looking part or the painted one under the steering wheel?
Also seem there is not much opinion on which manufacturer to use.


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the only things i did not fab was the wheel [of course], the adjustment levers, and the stainless part is the stock can used in the telescopic function. the painted part is an interesting, and complicated part that took me many months of head scratching and failed attempts. it had to attach to the telescope and lock in place, plus allow the horn to function as design [and stay in place], while allowing the wheel to detach as well as locking it in place. that piece was fabbed from steel billet, and attaches to the much modified hub of the original steering wheel. if just a tilt function was desired, it would have been much easier to design and build a hub for the detachable steering wheel because the telescope locking mechanism, which [though very simple in design and execution] is on the bulky side to cover and look simple. many times in this project, i have found making things look "simple" is a lot tougher than one would expect using the "kiss" principle. hope all of this rambling makes some sense. as to the detachable wheel pieces, there seems to be the spline and hex couplings with the push in pin [i had to make a longer pin for my application. i used 303 grade stainless], and a "pull up" ring splined item. i had a hex wheel piece, so i used that and fabbed the male hex shaft part.
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Originally Posted By hemi-itis

Also seem there is not much opinion on which manufacturer to use.


The main choices for a straight 3/4 shaft is the Moroso style 3 bolt push button style that uses a hex or the Strange 5 bolt style that uses a splined adapter and a flange that is pulled toward you to release. Similar models of both styles are sold by many different folks. The splined 5 bolt style is more money and is the higher end piece. I would use the 5 bolt style so you can use a Grant 5 bolt racing wheel without an adapter. A 3 bolt unit requires a cheapa$$ sheetmetal adapter and crappy rubber boot or billet adapter to use a Grant 5 bolt wheel. You may have an old 3 bolt wheel that would work on the 3 bolt quick release. And I would get it from a quality parts place and avoid no-name ebay stuff.

Grant offers disconnects and kits to use on stock shafts with the original splines. I don't see one for your application, but I would make a call to Grant to verify what they offer.

Up to you if you want to keep the stock shaft. I haven't done the switchover to 3/4" tube on one of those and would need to have one in front of me to see how involved it is.

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Thanks guys for this much needed info.I have been getting different opinions on the thickness of the CM tube to use for the shaft,,,from .039,,.050 up to .090.Doug said to go with the .090.
The kits seen to come with the nub that would weld to the tube for the steering wheel to attach to.I have a Grant steering wheel now.


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