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Can it be done? In a 68 b-body stock chassis #2469103
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Has anyone run a motorplate with a remote electric water pump mounted on a Ron Davis or Meziere radiator with the low mount alternator? I need the pump mounted on the lower pass corner of rad and with the motorplate, the alt just doesnt seem like it will fit. Even a small denso style seems like it will be forward onto the pump because it is mounted forward of the motor plate. Anyone done this and have pics? This is on a stock chassis 68 b body with motor in stock location. Thanks


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Re: Can it be done? In a 68 b-body stock chassis [Re: Chargerfan68] #2469129
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On my A-body with a plate, I use the upper mount alternator...Unless you move the rad mount into the grill by cutting the support, I doubt it will clear.

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Re: Can it be done? In a 68 b-body stock chassis [Re: Chargerfan68] #2469172
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What about mounting the alternator on the drivers side work scope


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Re: Can it be done? In a 68 b-body stock chassis [Re: Chargerfan68] #2469179
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Dragula, Thanks for the pics.

Cab, i dont think i can mount on the dr side bc i will have the vac pump there and front pointing external oil line for the dual pickup running by that area. I might try and see if i can mount the alt right under the motorplate instead of attaching it under and in front of it

Thanks guys

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Re: Can it be done? In a 68 b-body stock chassis [Re: Chargerfan68] #2469187
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Originally Posted By Chargerfan68
Has anyone run a motorplate with a remote electric water pump mounted on a Ron Davis or Meziere radiator with the low mount alternator? I need the pump mounted on the lower pass corner of rad and with the motorplate, the alt just doesnt seem like it will fit. Even a small denso style seems like it will be forward onto the pump because it is mounted forward of the motor plate. Anyone done this and have pics? This is on a stock chassis 68 b body with motor in stock location. Thanks


That is what I'm doing with my Duster project. Use the flat DMI pulley to move everything back as far as it will go.

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Re: Can it be done? In a 68 b-body stock chassis [Re: Chargerfan68] #2469191
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On my old car we made a bracket for the alt to mount right off the fuel pump plate


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Re: Can it be done? In a 68 b-body stock chassis [Re: Chargerfan68] #2469201
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Originally Posted By Chargerfan68
Dragula, Thanks for the pics.

Cab, i dont think i can mount on the dr side bc i will have the vac pump there and front pointing external oil line for the dual pickup running by that area. I might try and see if i can mount the alt right under the motorplate instead of attaching it under and in front of it

Thanks guys

I mounted my 100 amp single wire Powermaster alternator on the bottom right side of my motor plate on my Cuda directly under the vacuum pump up I use the upper bolt hole on the alternator and stock Mopar alternator spacer between the front and back side of the motor plate to align the stock Mopar 440 single groove crankshaft pulley and used the stock bottom alternator tensioning bracket for tensioning the alternator up


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Re: Can it be done? In a 68 b-body stock chassis [Re: Cab_Burge] #2469220
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Low mount setup, you can get away with in a B-E body.....I have found I have to run a full size alternator. Tried many of the mini ones, but none have worked for me.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: Can it be done? In a 68 b-body stock chassis [Re: Chargerfan68] #2469377
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FWIW, I think Mopar_Rich had a mini mounted backwards on the frame rail of his '64 B-body. Kind of cool because no need to mess with the wires during R&R. They don't care which direction they run...

Re: Can it be done? In a 68 b-body stock chassis [Re: AndyF] #2469467
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That is what I'm doing with my Duster project. Use the flat DMI pulley to move everything back as far as it will go.[/quote]

Andy, I was actually thinking of going with your motorplate and low alt mount kit. The mount bracket that you mentioned was exactly what i was thiking to move the alt back under the plate. So i think that will work.
Thanks so much.


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Re: Can it be done? In a 68 b-body stock chassis [Re: Chargerfan68] #2469471
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Thanks everyone for the options. Ill have to make some calcs to see if a mini nwer style alt will handle it. I dont see why it couldnt. I only have elect cooling fan, elect water pump, fuel pump, msd ign, and some other small common draws from gauges, lights, etc.

I think the remote pump mounted on the radiator will work if i get the alt under the motorplate and as far back as posdible like Andy set his up. Ill have to take some more measurments


Thanks again


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Re: Can it be done? In a 68 b-body stock chassis [Re: Chargerfan68] #2469473
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Thanks Dragula. Those pics do help alot. Nice setup by the way!!!


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Re: Can it be done? In a 68 b-body stock chassis [Re: Chargerfan68] #2469478
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Yep.

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Re: Can it be done? In a 68 b-body stock chassis [Re: Chargerfan68] #2470111
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Thanks for the photo Digger. Good idea to mount the pump facing forward for more clearance. Did you have to cut the core support at all to mount it that way? If you don’t mind, what part number radiator is that? I assume its a ron davis. One last question: if you were to take your exact setup and theoretically flip it to face forward keeping the pump dimensionally where it is( but on the rear side), would the pump clear the front of the strut bar?

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Good idea to mount the pump facing forward for more clearance.
I can't take credit for this. I saw someone here on the board that had done this and it made sense to me so that is why I mounted the water pump on the front.

Did you have to cut the core support at all to mount it that way?
Yes. I had to cut where the lines went through the support.
The hole is minimal if that helps.

If you don’t mind, what part number radiator is that? I assume its a ron davis.
To be honest I don't recall the brand. I have been building this silly car for so long and I suffer from CRS.

One last question: if you were to take your exact setup and theoretically flip it to face forward keeping the pump dimensionally where it is( but on the rear side), would the pump clear the front of the strut bar?
I don't think it would clear in the engine side of the radiator. The pump would hit the strut bar. You might be able to mount the pump slightly higher on the tank for the clearance.

I hope this helps. If you need any specific pictures I can get them this weekend for you. Just let me know what you would like to see.

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Thanks very much for the info and help, Mike. I really appreciate it. Now i can make some good decisions.


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