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#2466426 - 03/14/18 01:46 PM C body muscle cars
demon Offline
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Chrysler built many great full size muscle cars.
55-65 300 letter series.
62-71 300 regular series. ( available with HP engines )
70 300 Hurst

Plymouth had
70-71 Spory Fury GT, with standard 440 4 barrel.
A member of the Rapid Transit System.

Dodge had... Nothing?
Sure you could order the 440 Magnum in a Polara or Monaco, but why did Dodge not get a C body muscle car version of its own?
I think a Polara R/T would have been a logical model to offer in 70-71.

Considering the Polara cop cars were pretty much the industry standard, they certainly had the components to build them.

I wonder if it was considered.

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#2466427 - 03/14/18 01:50 PM Re: C body muscle cars [Re: demon]
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#2466431 - 03/14/18 01:54 PM Re: C body muscle cars [Re: RSNOMO]
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My dad had a 73 2dr Monaco with a 440 4brl,bucket seats.Seamed pretty powerful. drive
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#2466451 - 03/14/18 02:11 PM Re: C body muscle cars [Re: rdrnr6970]
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(Only Plymouth took it to this level with the SFGT...


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#2466452 - 03/14/18 02:14 PM Re: C body muscle cars [Re: demon]
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Marketing.
For example..1968
It was cheaper top buy a 68 Charger R/T already packaged with a 440 (approx $4215.00) compared to a Monaco 500 fastop ($3846.00) and order the extra cost 440 Magnum engine ($434.20) and required HD Torqueflite auto (232.55) or 4 speed tranny ($222.35).
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#2466614 - 03/14/18 07:43 PM Re: C body muscle cars [Re: demon]
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buy a 69 CHP Polara.
Muscle with 4-doors

Carsten

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#2466657 - 03/14/18 09:10 PM Re: C body muscle cars [Re: fc7_plumcrazy]
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I always thought of my 69 Polara 500 with the 440 Magnum a a muscle car. Kind of like a large Super Bee. But you’re right very few came with the HP 440. Man wouldn’t a Hemi of been a cool option!


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#2466683 - 03/14/18 09:50 PM Re: C body muscle cars [Re: demon]
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consider the market . . . who were the C body cars marketed to ?? The older crowd, who for many, were not that interested in performance. At least not compared to the "younger" demographic going for the B bodies and A bodies . . . . so, hence low production numbers of what was built, offered . . . just my two cents worth . . .

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#2466697 - 03/14/18 10:07 PM Re: C body muscle cars [Re: a12rag]
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How about a sunroof '71 SFGT???

Only about a dozen SR's out of a run of about 375...


This one just 'debuted' last fall at MCACN...

A lot of blood, sweat and tears by DA on this car...

Outstanding...






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#2466708 - 03/14/18 10:36 PM Re: C body muscle cars [Re: RSNOMO]
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Originally Posted By RS23U1G
How about a sunroof '71 SFGT???

Only about a dozen SR's out of a run of about 375...


This one just 'debuted' last fall at MCACN...

A lot of blood, sweat and tears by DA on this car...

Outstanding...







My neighbor got this car from an In-law. I think they were the original owner. He said the sun roof was a $600 option. He traded it off for a E body 8.75 rear for his '71 Cuda 383 convertible.
Best thing about '71 SFGT's is they had 370 hp motors, '70 440-4's were LP 350's.
Another '71 SFGT that was local was Inglo, a beautiful color, not sure were it went. It was missing one of the OEM wheels.
I once had an EA4 '70 SFGT 440-6. It had quite a bit of rust I couldn't locate a good donor to for parts so I let it go to someone that had several.

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#2466745 - 03/15/18 12:16 AM Re: C body muscle cars [Re: mopargem]
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Originally Posted By mopargem
I always thought of my 69 Polara 500 with the 440 Magnum a a muscle car. Kind of like a large Super Bee. But you’re right very few came with the HP 440. Man wouldn’t a Hemi of been a cool option!

That definitely is a muscle car in my eyes.

I just find it odd that both Chrysler and Plymouth got C body "package" cars in 70-71 but Dodge did not.
The Rapid Transit System and the Scat Pack were pretty evenly matched, but the Sport Fury GT didn't have an equivelant in the Dodge lineup.
I guess it's because Dodge had the Charger, and Plymouth didn't have a unique B body to match, so they got the Sport Fury GT.


Edited by demon (03/15/18 12:16 AM)

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#2466747 - 03/15/18 12:17 AM Re: C body muscle cars [Re: RSNOMO]
demon Offline
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Originally Posted By RS23U1G
How about a sunroof '71 SFGT???

Only about a dozen SR's out of a run of about 375...


This one just 'debuted' last fall at MCACN...

A lot of blood, sweat and tears by DA on this car...

Outstanding...





That 71 GT has got to be one of the coolest cars on the planet

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#2466754 - 03/15/18 01:18 AM Re: C body muscle cars [Re: demon]
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Originally Posted By demon

Dodge had... Nothing?

Sure you could order the 440 Magnum in a Polara or Monaco, but why did Dodge not get a C body muscle car version of its own?


You included the non-letter 300s, so wouldn't this be the same thing?

Because the regular 300s were merely a trim level above the Newport and below the New Yorker. Nothing muscle about 'em other than an engine if so equipped.

Just like what you say about the big Dodges.

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I think a Polara R/T would have been a logical model to offer in 70-71.


There was nothing logical about the Sport Fury GT – full-size muscle was dead after 1967 except for Chevrolet.

Here's something to chew on: The GTO came out in 1964. It took Chrysler 3 years to come out with an equivalent model. Perhaps that explains why someone forgot to tell Chrysler full-size muscle was over several years before.

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#2466769 - 03/15/18 03:38 AM Re: C body muscle cars [Re: demon]
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Dodge and Plymouth were pretty evenly matched in the Rapid Transit and Scat Pack era except for a Dodge C body muscle variant. But, Plymouth had no variant of a Charger, so I would say that's just a bit more important than a Sport Fury with decals on it.
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#2466774 - 03/15/18 04:30 AM Re: C body muscle cars [Re: Diego (not Ted)]
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Originally Posted By Diego (not Ted)
Originally Posted By demon

Dodge had... Nothing?

Sure you could order the 440 Magnum in a Polara or Monaco, but why did Dodge not get a C body muscle car version of its own?


You included the non-letter 300s, so wouldn't this be the same thing?

Because the regular 300s were merely a trim level above the Newport and below the New Yorker. Nothing muscle about 'em other than an engine if so equipped.

Just like what you say about the big Dodges.

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I think a Polara R/T would have been a logical model to offer in 70-71.


There was nothing logical about the Sport Fury GT – full-size muscle was dead after 1967 except for Chevrolet.

Here's something to chew on: The GTO came out in 1964. It took Chrysler 3 years to come out with an equivalent model. Perhaps that explains why someone forgot to tell Chrysler full-size muscle was over several years before.


Uh, Chrysler just debuted the hemi in '64. I think the hemi powered B-bodies would thump those Pontiacs. No, Chrysler didn't come out with a big block A-body until '67 but I don't really think they thought they needed to. shruggy DeLorean was ahead of his time. I think there were guys over 30 that had families but still wanted a cool ride to tow the family boat or whatever. Big engines were popular sellers as gas was high quality and cheap. My Dad ordered the 390-4B on our new 1968 Ford wagon. It towed great and would still go 120mph after 100,000 miles! Trust me, I know... laugh

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#2466838 - 03/15/18 09:41 AM Re: C body muscle cars [Re: B5 Bee]
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Best thing about '71 SFGT's is they had 370 hp motors, '70 440-4's were LP 350's.
Another '71 SFGT that was local was Inglo, a beautiful color, not sure were it went. It was missing one of the OEM wheels.
I once had an EA4 '70 SFGT 440-6. It had quite a bit of rust I couldn't locate a good donor to for parts so I let it go to someone that had several. [/quote]

I also at one time had a 70SFGT. If I remember correctly they were rated at 350 hp, but in the ad posted above-which I have the original issue of hot rod that it appeared in- I thought all the specs were the same between the 350 and 375 horse offerings? I need to check again

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#2466841 - 03/15/18 09:48 AM Re: C body muscle cars [Re: demon]
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My dad has a 65 Sport Fury 426W 4 Speed car, I have the Pace Car version with an Automatic, both strong performers. The 66 Sport Fury 440 cars are pretty strong too.

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#2466843 - 03/15/18 09:50 AM Re: C body muscle cars [Re: Moparnutcase]
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Originally Posted By Moparnutcase
You could say my '65 Monaco can be considered......426W and 4-speed. It is also for sale in the classified section.
I was looking at that car the other day, that will be an awesome car. If I was closer I would be checking it out, love the 65-66 CBody cars.

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#2466844 - 03/15/18 09:50 AM Re: C body muscle cars [Re: demon]
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Why no 426 hemi c body cars?

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#2466858 - 03/15/18 10:35 AM Re: C body muscle cars [Re: demon]
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"There was nothing logical about the Sport Fury GT – full-size muscle was dead after 1967 except for Chevrolet."

1968
Riviera GS 430-360hp
Impala SS 427-385hp
Chrysler 300 440-375hp
Toronado 455-400hp
Grand Prix 428-390hp

1969
Riviera GS 430-360hp
Impala SS 427-385hp
Chrysler 300 440-375hp
Galaxie XL GT 429-360hp
Marauder X-100 429-360hp
Toronado 455-400hp
Grand Prix 428-390hp

1970
Riviera GS 455-370hp
Eldorado 500-400hp
Monte Carlo SS 454-450hp
Chrysler 300 440-375hp
Hurst/Chrysler 300 440-375hp
Hurst/Pontiac SSJ 455-370hp
Marauder X-100 429-360hp
Toronado 455-400hp
Sport Fury GT 440-390hp

Fullsize performance market was alive and well. Most of those engines were more powerful than those offered in any midsize models by the same manufacturer.

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