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#2463421 - 03/08/18 08:17 PM A Engine Offset Cam Keys?
rarefish Offline
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Registered: 01/19/03
Posts: 1771
Loc: New York
Who is selling the offset cam keys today? It looks like the MP P4286500 key set has been canceled.

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#2463425 - 03/08/18 08:26 PM Re: A Engine Offset Cam Keys? [Re: rarefish]
RapidRobert Offline
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Registered: 11/20/03
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I want another set & could not find em. I would suggest a 3 keyway timing chain set of the quality level that you want. Other than that: ebay or CL or maybe another mopar site (FABO wanted might be good).
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#2463427 - 03/08/18 08:29 PM Re: A Engine Offset Cam Keys? [Re: rarefish]
EV2Bird Offline
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They pop up on ebay from time to time, but they are like $50 for the set of 4.

Ive three loose ones I dont need if you know what color you need, Id have to look but I think ive a blue, a brown and a yellow.

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#2463437 - 03/08/18 08:44 PM Re: A Engine Offset Cam Keys? [Re: rarefish]
rarefish Offline
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Registered: 01/19/03
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Loc: New York
I have a few of them right now, but a friend called me tonight looking for a 4 deg key. Does anyone know what color that key is?

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#2463443 - 03/08/18 08:53 PM Re: A Engine Offset Cam Keys? [Re: rarefish]
justinp61 Offline
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Registered: 10/01/03
Posts: 9764
Loc: W. Kentucky
Originally Posted By rarefish
I have a few of them right now, but a friend called me tonight looking for a 4 deg key. Does anyone know what color that key is?


I have the info in the shop. but it'll be tomorrow before I'll be back out there.

When I built my 408 I needed one that I didn't have and a member sent me one at no charge. A few months later someone here needed one that I did have so I returned the favor that was given to me.

I did later buy a set off the bag.

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#2463463 - 03/08/18 09:32 PM Re: A Engine Offset Cam Keys? [Re: rarefish]
forphorty Offline
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Registered: 11/26/06
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Loc: oklahoma
I have a Mr Gasket one I got from Summit about a year and a half ago. I don't remember the PN. It took months to actually receive it. Good thing I was in no hurry for it. I already had a timing set in my parts pile or otherwise I would have just bought a multi-keyway set instead. I believe the MG key is 4 CAM degrees; i.e. 8 CRANK degrees. I degreed the cam twice with the offset key to make sure I hadn't screwed up and came up with approx 8 degrees more than the straight key both times.

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#2463477 - 03/08/18 09:40 PM Re: A Engine Offset Cam Keys? [Re: forphorty]
pittsburghracer Offline
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Summit stocks any key you should need. I buy all of mine there.
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#2463518 - 03/08/18 10:40 PM Re: A Engine Offset Cam Keys? [Re: pittsburghracer]
RapidRobert Offline
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I only see the "round" BB ones at Summit. the SB ones sorta look like a cam key with the top half of it "shifted/offset" over which shifts the cam gear.
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#2463519 - 03/08/18 10:42 PM Re: A Engine Offset Cam Keys? [Re: pittsburghracer]
6PakBee Offline
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Originally Posted By pittsburghracer
Summit stocks any key you should need. I buy all of mine there.


I couldn't find any key for a B/RB other than the 0 degree.
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#2463531 - 03/08/18 11:05 PM Re: A Engine Offset Cam Keys? [Re: 6PakBee]
Neil Offline
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Registered: 01/19/03
Posts: 12984
Loc: Eagle, Idaho
Hughes Engines is showing the 4 deg offset key on their website.

http://www.hughesengines.com/Index/products.php?browse=search&search=CAM+KEY&partid=26066

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#2463579 - 03/09/18 02:37 AM Re: A Engine Offset Cam Keys? [Re: Neil]
Cab_Burge Offline
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The LA motors and all early(pre 1965) non B/RB and 426 hemi V8 Mopars used the same upper cam keys, including the Chrysler Fire power and Desoto Fire Dome hemi motors work
Mr. Gasket sold them in the past, maybe Hot Heads has them still scope
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#2463601 - 03/09/18 07:17 AM Re: A Engine Offset Cam Keys? [Re: rarefish]
Mopar Sam Offline
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Registered: 07/18/08
Posts: 32
Loc: Sullivan, IN
The Mr. Gasket ones are sometimes listed as small block chevy crankshaft keys.

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#2463741 - 03/09/18 11:29 AM Re: A Engine Offset Cam Keys? [Re: Mopar Sam]
Cab_Burge Offline
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Originally Posted By Mopar Sam
The Mr. Gasket ones are sometimes listed as small block chevy crankshaft keys.
Your probably correct on that up bow
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#2463775 - 03/09/18 12:16 PM Re: A Engine Offset Cam Keys? [Re: rarefish]
EV2Bird Offline
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Looks like so far ive got a yellow and a blue, I dont recall doing it but I must of as the blue is marked 3 and the yellow 4.

If you can use them pm me your addy and I will toss them in a envelope.

I still think ive one more, like a brown one.

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#2463848 - 03/09/18 02:00 PM Re: A Engine Offset Cam Keys? [Re: EV2Bird]
justinp61 Offline
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Registered: 10/01/03
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Loc: W. Kentucky
Originally Posted By EV2Bird
Looks like so far ive got a yellow and a blue, I dont recall doing it but I must of as the blue is marked 3 and the yellow 4.

If you can use them pm me your addy and I will toss them in a envelope.

I still think ive one more, like a brown one.


My noted indicate the same, yellow is 4°.

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#2464031 - 03/09/18 06:36 PM Re: A Engine Offset Cam Keys? [Re: justinp61]
pittsburghracer Offline
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Registered: 02/02/05
Posts: 13766
Loc: PA.
Thanks a lot guys you jinxed me. I'm putting my 572 together today and throw the timing cover on and want to install my ATI damper on to check my timing marks before I install the heads this weekend. Well my machinist must have removed my key to do his work and it didn't get reinstalled. Usually not an issue but this is a Calias crank with a 1/4 inch keyway instead of a 3/16 so it uses a 1/4-3/16 stepped key. I have over 20 keys here but of coarse no stepped keys so I found one on Summits site for 18.00 and it should be here Monday or Tuesday. Oh well I guess I will be building the transmission for it instead. LOL
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1970 Duster
Edelbrock headed 408
6.143@110.85 mph
9.73@135.05 mph shifting at 6700 RPM
422 Indy headed small block
5.982@112.56 mph
9.42@138.27

Untitled by John Cadamore, on Flickr





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#2464035 - 03/09/18 06:39 PM Re: A Engine Offset Cam Keys? [Re: rarefish]
EV2Bird Offline
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Registered: 06/23/14
Posts: 4498
Loc: Kansas Roads Between 0 and 140...
Just marry two unrelated keys and poof you will a have step key. Like step kids.

Ok, not funny.

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#2465721 - 03/13/18 10:47 AM Re: A Engine Offset Cam Keys? [Re: Mopar Sam]
gtsdude Offline
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Registered: 10/28/05
Posts: 849
Loc: S.E. Minnesota
Originally Posted By Mopar Sam
The Mr. Gasket ones are sometimes listed as small block chevy crankshaft keys.



I used this one, just remember its the camshaft you are moving, not the crank like this one is made for. If you want 4 degrees advance, get a 2 degree key.

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#2465821 - 03/13/18 01:37 PM Re: A Engine Offset Cam Keys? [Re: gtsdude]
RapidRobert Offline
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Posts: 34405
Loc: Lincoln Nebraska
^^^ good heads up info
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#2466269 - 03/14/18 08:59 AM Re: A Engine Offset Cam Keys? [Re: gtsdude]
340Cuda Offline
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Registered: 04/04/03
Posts: 2178
Loc: Tulsa, Oklahoma
Originally Posted By gtsdude
I used this one, just remember its the camshaft you are moving, not the crank like this one is made for. If you want 4 degrees advance, get a 2 degree key.

I have a belt drive now and don't have to deal with this but cam timing is based on 720 degrees. So a 4 degree key will affect the Intake Lobe Center 4 degrees. Correct?

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