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#2462147 - 03/06/18 04:13 PM Re: Are ALL Chrysler/DOdge/etc. dealerships now ripoff artists? [Re: ragtopdodge]
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I'm going to change the title here from:

" Are ALL Chrysler/DOdge/etc. dealerships now ripoff artists?"

to:

......ALL................. dealerships (are) ripoff artists.

All in the name of the "no sh!t Sherlock" rule.

I simply do not feel sorry for anyone who gets bent over by a dealership, being that this is plain common knowledge for everyone and has been for probably 50 or 60 years.

In this day and age of Google and Youtube there is no excuse for anyone not to pick up their hands, go buy some tools, and do things for themselves.

Cripes, I'm pretty sure I'm up to the dollar value of a new truck by now doing all my own repairs......and I'm not a Mechanic by any stretch of the imagination.

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#2462148 - 03/06/18 04:18 PM Re: Are ALL Chrysler/DOdge/etc. dealerships now ripoff artists? [Re: BIGGERED]
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Originally Posted By BIGGERED
Originally Posted By Guitar Jones
Originally Posted By BIGGERED
Originally Posted By oldjonny
My 85 year old Dad buys a brand new Jeep from the local dealer. Dealer gives him 'free' oil changes up front with the deal. My brother marked the oil filter before he went in. After sitting waiting for the car for an hour plus...."It's all Set, your oil change is done"....yea....well, except that the oil or the filter never got changed.



The same guy who failed to change the filter may be the mechanic who is adamant that you need to change brake fluid every two years.

Take some time to read your Mopar maintenance schedules what has been stated here is not even close to accurate.

Red



What I stated is accurate for the car line I work on. I'm really not sure what Chrysler says as I don't own a newer one and don't work at a Chrysler dealer.


I forgot which Korean line of cars you work on so I decided to review Hyundai's recommendations for a 2018 Accent under severe duty.

I see no mention of replacing brake fluid (through 150k miles and 9-10 years) only inspection of it.

You might be part of the problem.

Red

The two I have might be in that group, BMW and Subaru, both talked my wife into those stupid services. She had to have Subaru change the oil and service, $572 later they where done. Finally agreed to let me do it next time. BMW cost her $5000, battery, valve cover gasket, cam senser and idler pully then update on the module from Germany. Then joy stick, $1600, the joys of owning a BMW.

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#2462183 - 03/06/18 05:24 PM Re: Are ALL Chrysler/DOdge/etc. dealerships now ripoff artists? [Re: 68Cbarge]
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Originally Posted By 68Cbarge
10.5 hours is way too high unless they are including other services.

I am a service advisor in an independant repair shop.
I have to use a regulated book time for labour hours which is standard across the industry.

Alldata,Chilton,Motor,Idenifix all share the same guidelines give or take a point or two per hour....
Alternator..1.2 hours
Water pump 1.8 hours
Upper rad hose .6
Lower rad hose 1.1
Total 4.7 hours
I would actually reduce a point or two for the hoses when replacing the pump at the same time.

So,your five hours is pretty accurate.



That's a lot of padding of time for professionals with a lift and every tool in the book at their disposal.

Maybe I can understand 2 hours for the rad hoses...those STUPID CLAMPS! Practically impossible to get on and off!

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#2462218 - 03/06/18 06:12 PM Re: Are ALL Chrysler/DOdge/etc. dealerships now ripoff artists? [Re: BIGGERED]
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Originally Posted By BIGGERED
Originally Posted By Guitar Jones
Originally Posted By BIGGERED
Originally Posted By oldjonny
My 85 year old Dad buys a brand new Jeep from the local dealer. Dealer gives him 'free' oil changes up front with the deal. My brother marked the oil filter before he went in. After sitting waiting for the car for an hour plus...."It's all Set, your oil change is done"....yea....well, except that the oil or the filter never got changed.



The same guy who failed to change the filter may be the mechanic who is adamant that you need to change brake fluid every two years.

Take some time to read your Mopar maintenance schedules what has been stated here is not even close to accurate.

Red



What I stated is accurate for the car line I work on. I'm really not sure what Chrysler says as I don't own a newer one and don't work at a Chrysler dealer.


I forgot which Korean line of cars you work on so I decided to review Hyundai's recommendations for a 2018 Accent under severe duty.

I see no mention of replacing brake fluid (through 150k miles and 9-10 years) only inspection of it.

You might be part of the problem.

Red


Yep I'm part of the problem alright.

You know nothing about me. I do major engine work all day every day. I don't do maintenance services. Two years was at least the service interval in the past. Depends on what fluid is in it. Most Hyundai vehicles came with DOT 3, that may have changed recently. Granted I have not looked at a 2018 owners manual.

But what do you really know? Do you know what it means when brake fluid turns brown or dark? Probably not. It means it has moisture in it. Do you know what moisture does in brake fluid? You can probably guess. What does yours look like?

I don't know what you were looking at, maybe you own a 2018 Accent, I don't know. When my computer comes back up I'll look it up on Hyundai's official site and report back.

I know 2 years was the standard, especially here in Florida where the climate is extremely humid. Arizona would probably be different. So inspect your brake fluid kids. If it's not clear it has moisture in it.
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#2462243 - 03/06/18 06:51 PM Re: Are ALL Chrysler/DOdge/etc. dealerships now ripoff artists? [Re: ragtopdodge]
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I see nothing here:

http://www.carponents.com/content/chrysler-service-maintenance-schedule-38

Regarding regular intervals of brake fluid change.

Owner's manual, no mention.

Seem's like another excuse to make money if you ask me. Like those Jiffy Lube guys trying to always change your filters.


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#2462246 - 03/06/18 06:54 PM Re: Are ALL Chrysler/DOdge/etc. dealerships now ripoff artists? [Re: ragtopdodge]
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And as far as changing DIFF fluid every 2 years?

NOT!


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#2462249 - 03/06/18 06:58 PM Re: Are ALL Chrysler/DOdge/etc. dealerships now ripoff artists? [Re: ragtopdodge]
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Originally Posted By ragtopdodge
And as far as changing DIFF fluid every 2 years?

NOT!


I guess you missed the 48000 mile interval for axle fluid change. The one you marked would be the 2nd change.
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#2462250 - 03/06/18 07:00 PM Re: Are ALL Chrysler/DOdge/etc. dealerships now ripoff artists? [Re: ragtopdodge]
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And those 15000 mile air filter changes. Yeah. You guys are sharp alright. laugh2
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'92 D250 Club Cab CTD, 47RH conversion, pump tweaks, injectors, rear disc conversion. Hydroboost coming soon
'74 W200 Crew Cab 360, NP435, D44, D60 and NP205 divorced transfer case. Magnum 5.2 MPI and NV4500 coming soon.
2019 1500 Long Horn Crew Cab 4WD, 5.7 Hemi!

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#2462255 - 03/06/18 07:05 PM Re: Are ALL Chrysler/DOdge/etc. dealerships now ripoff artists? [Re: ragtopdodge]
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You will never find me behind the wheel of one of those cars.

I do know a bit about you including your fierce defense of dealerships and techs as you take every opportunity to defend them while in this case you appear to admit to being ill informed in your profession which will result in a customer experiencing a fleecing that you continually defend.

Also I know you do not like pit bulls.

Red

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#2462299 - 03/06/18 08:00 PM Re: Are ALL Chrysler/DOdge/etc. dealerships now ripoff artists? [Re: Guitar Jones]
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Originally Posted By Guitar Jones
Originally Posted By ragtopdodge
And as far as changing DIFF fluid every 2 years?

NOT!


I guess you missed the 48000 mile interval for axle fluid change. The one you marked would be the 2nd change.


okay, but who drives 24,000 mi/year?

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#2462306 - 03/06/18 08:09 PM Re: Are ALL Chrysler/DOdge/etc. dealerships now ripoff artists? [Re: ragtopdodge]
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Originally Posted By ragtopdodge
Originally Posted By Guitar Jones
Originally Posted By ragtopdodge
And as far as changing DIFF fluid every 2 years?

NOT!


I guess you missed the 48000 mile interval for axle fluid change. The one you marked would be the 2nd change.


okay, but who drives 24,000 mi/year?


I average about 32,000, not that anyone really cares
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#2462339 - 03/06/18 08:40 PM Re: Are ALL Chrysler/DOdge/etc. dealerships now ripoff artists? [Re: DaveRS23]
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Originally Posted By DaveRS23
....We have a $96 Autel SRS scan tool that has accurately pulled every air bag code we have asked it to. And updates are free....


What exact Autel model do you have? I'd be interested in knowing. I just have a cheapy that only reads engine codes.

But as to the discussion, just a few observations. I think people are confusing flat rate time allowances and hourly labor rate. If flat rate for an operation is 1.2 hours, a shop with $100/hr labor rate will be cheaper than a shop with a $150/hr labor rate. Labor rates are a direct consequence of costs. Dealerships are required by the manufacturer to utilize certain manufacturer supplied services with the resulting dealership costs. Anyone who has worked in a Chrysler dealership recognizes what "Essential Service Tools" are even though at times some of them will never be used. Independents don't contend with items like this. As to competence, what I see is that dealerships are going with more and more remote diagnosis and the technicians are really becoming only R&R personnel. Independents who can't afford (or have access to) the technology and work on a greater range of vehicles, IMHO, are still more of the traditional 'mechanic'.

But no marque is spared. Wifey has a 2012 Subaru and the gas filler door spring broke. Dealership quoted me $4 for the spring and $75 to install. Bought the spring and installed it in under five minutes. I think the answer to all of this is try to determine if you can successfully do the work yourself and go from there.
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#2462352 - 03/06/18 08:57 PM Re: Are ALL Chrysler/DOdge/etc. dealerships now ripoff artists? [Re: ragtopdodge]
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Maybe I can understand 2 hours for the rad hoses...those STUPID CLAMPS! Practically impossible to get on and off! [/quote] You needed one of these https://www.tooltopia.com/otc-tools-4525...c_intid=OTC4525


Edited by forphorty (03/06/18 08:58 PM)

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#2462368 - 03/06/18 09:35 PM Re: Are ALL Chrysler/DOdge/etc. dealerships now ripoff artists? [Re: 6PakBee]
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BMW AG suggests brake fluid change every 2 years on built for US cars.

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#2462372 - 03/06/18 09:43 PM Re: Are ALL Chrysler/DOdge/etc. dealerships now ripoff artists? [Re: ragtopdodge]
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They sell test strips that can be purchased at any Napa to test brake fluid, but its just cheaper to buy it and do it. I do all my cars EVERY year. Its cheap insurance, and if you have a vacuum pump you can bleed the system no problem. And fwiw, VW also recommended 2 year replacement as well.

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#2462389 - 03/06/18 10:35 PM Re: Are ALL Chrysler/DOdge/etc. dealerships now ripoff artists? [Re: ragtopdodge]
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Change brake fluid? I never have on any driver, and my driver now is a 2004 grand Cherokee with 201,000 miles. Wife's 2011 5.7 Grand Cherokee needed water pump this week....dealer and parts and thermostat were $700ish. I bought the parts from Advance and had a local shop do it for $200 total. Some people are just lazy and rich and let the dealerships rip them off.
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#2462400 - 03/06/18 10:56 PM Re: Are ALL Chrysler/DOdge/etc. dealerships now ripoff artists? [Re: ragtopdodge]
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Be sure to schedule your vehicle for its seasonal "Winter To Spring" tire air change when you get that brake fluid changed... up
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#2462406 - 03/06/18 11:18 PM Re: Are ALL Chrysler/DOdge/etc. dealerships now ripoff artists? [Re: ragtopdodge]
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Some of you don’t change brake fluid? Watch it change over in a clear hose as you push put the old. You’ll be doing it regularly after that. I probably change oil less often than most on here, but I stay on top of coolant and brake fluid.
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#2462414 - 03/06/18 11:59 PM Re: Are ALL Chrysler/DOdge/etc. dealerships now ripoff artists? [Re: ragtopdodge]
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Originally Posted By ragtopdodge
Originally Posted By Guitar Jones
Originally Posted By ragtopdodge
And as far as changing DIFF fluid every 2 years?

NOT!


I guess you missed the 48000 mile interval for axle fluid change. The one you marked would be the 2nd change.


okay, but who drives 24,000 mi/year?


I never said anything about changing differential fluid at two year intervals, just brake fluid. Time is what deteriorates brake fluid as it accumulates moisture. But I drive over 25000 miles a year just commuting back and forth to work.
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The Scamp is sold, now just two old trucks and one new one.
'92 D250 Club Cab CTD, 47RH conversion, pump tweaks, injectors, rear disc conversion. Hydroboost coming soon
'74 W200 Crew Cab 360, NP435, D44, D60 and NP205 divorced transfer case. Magnum 5.2 MPI and NV4500 coming soon.
2019 1500 Long Horn Crew Cab 4WD, 5.7 Hemi!

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#2462419 - 03/07/18 12:11 AM Re: Are ALL Chrysler/DOdge/etc. dealerships now ripoff artists? [Re: BIGGERED]
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Originally Posted By BIGGERED
You will never find me behind the wheel of one of those cars.

I do know a bit about you including your fierce defense of dealerships and techs as you take every opportunity to defend them while in this case you appear to admit to being ill informed in your profession which will result in a customer experiencing a fleecing that you continually defend.

Also I know you do not like pit bulls.

Red




I'm ill informed how? Because I haven't read a 2018 maintenance schedule yet? Lol I'm not going to tonight either. It will have to wait until tomorrow.
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The Scamp is sold, now just two old trucks and one new one.
'92 D250 Club Cab CTD, 47RH conversion, pump tweaks, injectors, rear disc conversion. Hydroboost coming soon
'74 W200 Crew Cab 360, NP435, D44, D60 and NP205 divorced transfer case. Magnum 5.2 MPI and NV4500 coming soon.
2019 1500 Long Horn Crew Cab 4WD, 5.7 Hemi!

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