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#2459455 - 03/01/18 01:22 PM Re: Is Everyone Selling Their Cummins [Re: parksr5]
340Cuda Offline
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Registered: 04/04/03
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Loc: Tulsa, Oklahoma
Around here any Dodge with a Cummins with less than 100,000 miles is hard to find and sells quickly.

I strongly agree with the folks who had said once you tow with a diesel you won't want to go back to a gas engine.

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#2459482 - 03/01/18 02:21 PM Re: Is Everyone Selling Their Cummins [Re: Orange_Crush]
KGorney Offline
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Registered: 04/08/03
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Originally Posted By Orange_Crush
Probably a few reasons.

2. Diesel prices are about 50 cents a gallon higher than gas prices, negating the mileage advantage of a diesel...ESPECIALLY if you don't tow a lot.


This was one of the primary reasons for me. When I first started with diesels, the price of diesel was lower and gas powered trucks had lousy mileage and little pulling capability.
Last few years, diesel has been .50 to 1.00 more a gallon, coupled with the fact that gas engines have become much more efficient and powerful. Even when towing, but especially when normal driving, which for me is the majority of the driving.
Another hassle of the diesel for me was cold weather, even with a block heater, starting could be a hassle in really cold weather and then the cab heat didn't start actually getting warm until about 10 - 15 miles of highway driving later. Idling would not help, that would just result in cold cylinder wash.
I have not regretted going back to a gas engine 2500HD after owning Cummins Dodge 2500s but I don't tow every single day.


Edited by KGorney (03/01/18 02:23 PM)

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#2459493 - 03/01/18 02:54 PM Re: Is Everyone Selling Their Cummins [Re: parksr5]
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Loc: Louisville, KY
All in all....the Cummins diesel engine is EXTREMELY FUN when turned up "CORRECTLY" and used "correctly"....even when they aren't turned up, BUT it isn't an absolute necessity for most people and if you are doing a lot of road work/freeway work, yes, a diesel is a much better investment over a gas motor because you will wear out a gas motor quicker than you will a diesel....
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#2459562 - 03/01/18 04:51 PM Re: Is Everyone Selling Their Cummins [Re: parksr5]
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Registered: 04/23/07
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Loc: Calgary, Alberta Canada
I still have my 02 Cummins, HO, 6spd, quad cab, short box . . . only 120k km (72k miles) on it . . .first new vehicle I have bought . . . only driven in winter (6) times !! No rust, totally still like new . . . yup, towing my travel trailer, or the open car trailer - never been issue. With 28' travel trailer (approx. 7k lb) and 60-65mph, 16mpg all day long !!

But, got the bug that I should sell the Cummins, and my AWD Magnum R/T and get new(newer) Ram 1500 4x4 to replace both . . . well, I bought a '13 Ram 1500 Longhorn - OMG, what a totally luxury vehicle !! Have not had chance to tow with it, but am sure it won't live up to the Cummins. Hmmmm, guess I am gonna own TWO trucks now ! LOL . . .

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#2459570 - 03/01/18 05:21 PM Re: Is Everyone Selling Their Cummins [Re: parksr5]
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Registered: 09/02/03
Posts: 948
Loc: simi valley,califOnia
not getting rid of my 06 1 owner 124k miles, infact just got thru servicing the trans including a band adjustment this morning.

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#2459625 - 03/01/18 07:39 PM Re: Is Everyone Selling Their Cummins [Re: chargervert]
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Originally Posted By chargervert
Once you tow with a diesel, you will never want to tow with a gas powered truck again! Mytruck gains speed towing uphill, I used to have to get a run on a hill in my gas powered Ram 2500.


Been there done that and not impressed.

What I am always impressed with how big the repair bills I write for them are, even the cummins that is by far the cheapest to keep running is still very expensive. Give me a 392 BGE or V10 anyday of the week. I can buy a complete v10 for $500 with very low miles vs $500 for two injectors on a cummins. $5000 dollar minimum for head gaskets on a duramax (we actually do more of those here than 6.0 6.4 power jokes). I think people are getting tired of paying thousands of dollars for injectors, thousands of dollars for head gaskets, thousand dollars here and there for fuel pumps, nowhere near the MPG people claim... they are just finding out the new diesels are not all there cracked up to be and the old 12 valve while they were a solid, fairly efficent engine in their day are now 20+ years old and no matter how good people make something eventually they do wear out. When you can buy a nice gas older truck for $5000 less than a nice diesel there will be a glut on the market.
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#2459634 - 03/01/18 08:01 PM Re: Is Everyone Selling Their Cummins [Re: parksr5]
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Registered: 02/26/03
Posts: 21020
Loc: Manitoba, Canada
I've went back to a gasser after I sold my cummins pickup. The towing isn't as bad as you guys make it out to be. The worst thing most guys do is get an automatic, which turns them into turds.

Lots of diesels for sale around here. Most are high milers, I'm sure the engines are still good but the rest is worn out. Front ends, brakes, axle seals, the usual transmission woes, the list goes on. The other problem I have is one critical component on a cummins costs more to replace than I can rebuild an entire gas v8 for.

Mileage in the summer was good. Not great as some diesel fanboys cliam, but good. In winter it was worse on fuel than a gas truck. I miss the sound and feel of driving the diesel but I was able to replace it with a comparable gas Ram with less miles for 1/3 of what I sold the cummins truck for. The diesels have their place for sure, but for someone like me who only needs a truck a few times a month and wants to daily drive something else, the cummins just doesn't make sense.

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#2459650 - 03/01/18 08:24 PM Re: Is Everyone Selling Their Cummins [Re: DaytonaTurbo]
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Registered: 06/08/07
Posts: 337
Loc: Colorado
I just bought an 07 5.9 Cummins last year. I had an 05 5.7 with tow package. Going over the Rockies with an enclosed trailer with a diesel makes a HUGE difference. Wished I would have bought a diesel years ago. No regrets.

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#2459662 - 03/01/18 08:35 PM Re: Is Everyone Selling Their Cummins [Re: parksr5]
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Registered: 03/18/07
Posts: 2445
Loc: Louisville, KY
WOW....everyone is so down on the high mileage Cummins.... No need to be as long as they are taken care of properly?? I currently have an 01 that I picked up with 327,000 miles and an automatic (no blow by) and I can guarantee it will out run and out tow most gas powered trucks out there with equal weight. We have trucks running around here with 3, 4, 5 and 600,000 miles...probably more on them that run better than mine...
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#2459716 - 03/01/18 09:55 PM Re: Is Everyone Selling Their Cummins [Re: parksr5]
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Registered: 12/10/05
Posts: 575
Loc: UP
What’s the point in having a 300k capable powertrain if the body rusts away in 150k?

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#2459740 - 03/01/18 10:24 PM Re: Is Everyone Selling Their Cummins [Re: finn]
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Registered: 03/18/07
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Loc: Louisville, KY
Originally Posted By finn
What’s the point in having a 300k capable powertrain if the body rusts away in 150k?


Who says mine is rusted away or ours are rusted away?? Depends on what area of the country you are talking about?
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#2459743 - 03/01/18 10:25 PM Re: Is Everyone Selling Their Cummins [Re: parksr5]
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Registered: 11/30/13
Posts: 232
Loc: Southern Alberta
2006 3500 drw 2wd, 5.9 cummins.. My daily driver and service truck, 450,000 km's, will still start at -30C without being plugged in, everything still works in the inside. The drivers seat is getting worn out, but it has no significant rust to speak of, even being driven daily through Canadian winters. It has a service box on the back that weighs about 2000 lbs with all the tools in it. Its getting the same mileage as when I bought it.. I went through my receipts, to date I have purchased 48 tires for this truck since I bought it in 08..

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#2459752 - 03/01/18 10:57 PM Re: Is Everyone Selling Their Cummins [Re: parksr5]
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Registered: 02/01/03
Posts: 18398
Loc: Rust Belt, SW PA
These posts always bring out the diesel hater laugh2 It's the same thing every time... looks like pretty much the same people too.

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#2459761 - 03/01/18 11:37 PM Re: Is Everyone Selling Their Cummins [Re: chargervert]
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Registered: 01/20/03
Posts: 6261
Loc: The Swamp
Originally Posted By chargervert
Originally Posted By ViperDave
Originally Posted By chargervert
Originally Posted By ViperDave
I got out of the diesel game a few years ago when I sold my 34ft enclosed triaxle trailer. MY hemi truck tows my single car trailer very well, and does everything I need including towing all my friends broken down diesels everywhere


Now that's comical, I have 146k miles on my 05 Ram 2500 4x4, and not a single breakdown or failure ever. That may happen to guys who don't maintain their diesels but if they are properly maintained they are bullet proof. The exception to the rule is ten year old Ford diesels, with their head gasket issues.


47Rh/re failures. vp pump failures. lift pump failures on both common rail trucks and vp trucks. ve pump trucks with stuck shutdown solenoids. 6.0L with blown head gaskets, Hpops, etc. 6.4L with cracked pistons. Lb7 with dead glow plugs.

Not to say gas trucks don't have faults. And most of my diesel friends have modified trucks, but I seem to see a lot of diesel trucks on trailers behind my hemi truck.


The lift pump issues seem to be more likely on 2004 and older Rams. So far no transmission issues, but I change the fluid regularly and I use only Mopar ATF 4 fluid. The last time I changed the fluid, I found most of the snap ring for the overdrive unit in the pan so I had to replace that,but I caught it before it became an issue. I change the oil every six thousand miles, and change the fuel filter every other oil change. I use only Wix filters,and either Rotella,or Cummins formulated Valvoline oil.

Move the lift pump off the block and back by the tank (just like a drag car), and throw a new one at it every 100K for cheap insurance. I haven't killed a VP pump yet on my 01 6 speed, 205k miles, bought new. (knock on wood)... 7500 oil changes, fuel filter every other oil change. I haven't done much towing - anyone have any idea on clutch life is normal? My dash is cracked and I've already replaced the driver's seat cushion and bottom upholstery. I have a new dash and cluster bezel - when I get ready to replace the a/c system and heater core I'll do the dash - for now a velcro carpet cover hides all the glued together cracks.

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#2459778 - 03/02/18 01:19 AM Re: Is Everyone Selling Their Cummins [Re: DaytonaTurbo]
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Registered: 08/17/03
Posts: 8455
Loc: Mt.Gilead, Ohio
Originally Posted By DaytonaTurbo
The worst thing most guys do is get an automatic, which turns them into turds.

That's the only option in a gas truck anymore. Finding a gas 3/4 or 1 ton with a clutch is virtually impossible.
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#2459779 - 03/02/18 01:23 AM Re: Is Everyone Selling Their Cummins [Re: RalphsRapidTrnst]
moparlulu Offline
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Registered: 01/19/03
Posts: 702
Loc: Btween a rock and a hard place
Originally Posted By RalphsRapidTrnst
Nope! Keeping both of mine.
what year is your Scotty? I had a 95, but it had the v10. was ok as long as you stayed under 75 mph over that and it would gulp fuel big time!!

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#2459834 - 03/02/18 08:02 AM Re: Is Everyone Selling Their Cummins [Re: parksr5]
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Registered: 06/23/14
Posts: 4492
Loc: Kansas Roads Between 0 and 140...
Id like to have a older cummins but my 96 power stroke 4x4 stick just hit 80k miles and I really like the truck and actually I could get more for it now then I paid for it new by watching current ebay listings.

Its a good truck I can work on so....meh.

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#2459846 - 03/02/18 08:21 AM Re: Is Everyone Selling Their Cummins [Re: EV2Bird]
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Registered: 07/03/07
Posts: 681
Loc: eastern,Ky
Originally Posted By EV2Bird
Id like to have a older cummins but my 96 power stroke 4x4 stick just hit 80k miles and I really like the truck and actually I could get more for it now then I paid for it new by watching current ebay listings.

Its a good truck I can work on so....meh.
Im on my 5th 7.3 powerstroke. Everyone hit the 400k mike mark without an injector or anything major replaced and I put them up for sale at the point. I bought this truck I have now a 2000 f-250 4 years ago with 54k miles on it and it’s my first auto. I did the 6.0 transmission cooler upgrade and so far at 170k miles I’ve only replaced a glow plug relay, 1 front end and a set of wheel bearings. I pull a 8 ton camper with it all of the time. After I put a 400k on this one not sure what I’ll buy then, i still have a few years.


Edited by 70RT Charger (03/02/18 08:22 AM)

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#2459866 - 03/02/18 09:24 AM Re: Is Everyone Selling Their Cummins [Re: 70RT Charger]
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Registered: 01/29/04
Posts: 3544
Loc: Motor City
I still tow everything with my good ole 96' Ram with a V10. It will still pull anything behind it like a diesel will I just don't get as good mileage. Never needed to upgrade to a Diesel. Not worth it to me (yet). I only drive & 7 miles back & forth to work. I tow my cars & everyone elses to & from Milan, Norwalk, Ubly, Stanton & Martin Michigan. All within a 1 to 3 hour drive or so. No problems pulling my 28' enclosed loaded with tools, equipment , golf cart & race cars. She is staring to get wore out & rusting off of the frame due to Michigan winters.

Next truck will be another rust free V10 dually or finally a diesel dually maybe someday. I just can't see paying $25K for trucks with up to or over 250K miles.
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#2459878 - 03/02/18 09:59 AM Re: Is Everyone Selling Their Cummins [Re: OhioMopar]
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Registered: 02/26/03
Posts: 21020
Loc: Manitoba, Canada
Originally Posted By OhioMopar
Originally Posted By DaytonaTurbo
The worst thing most guys do is get an automatic, which turns them into turds.

That's the only option in a gas truck anymore. Finding a gas 3/4 or 1 ton with a clutch is virtually impossible.


I know. It's pathetic.

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