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Small Block Storker Folks, 2 Questions #244968
03/06/09 02:19 PM
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I’m almost done getting parts for my 408 build and I have 2 parts left I’m considering, even though I am WAY over budget (but hey, I’m stimulating the economy right?).

1. Do I NEED a girdle for the bottom end if I am already using studs.
2. Would a Victor 340 intake make a significant change in power (like take the car from low 11’s to high 10’s) over the Air-gap.

Here is the rest of the combo right as of right now:

360 block, Eagle 4.00 inch steel crank, Scat I-beams, 10.6:1 compression
Eddy heads with stage 2 port from Shady Dell (being sent to Ryan today)
Comp XE286R solid roller 248/254 @ 0.05, .576/.582 lift,
Air-Gap (If I don’t get a Victor 340), 750 dp
727, 8 inch PTC converter, 4.10 gear, 28x11.5 Hoosier QTP,
3250 lbs with driver.

Thanks in advance,

Dave


67 Barracuda street car, 408, e85, 1.38 60', 6.44 @105.9 in the 1/8 mile, 10.19 @130.5 in the 1/4...so far....
Re: Small Block Storker Folks, 2 Questions [Re: FlyFish] #244969
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My would be to go with the Victor 340. The stroker will like the extra plenum volume it offers over the Air-Gap.


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Re: Small Block Storker Folks, 2 Questions [Re: FlyFish] #244970
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1.The small block girdles IMHO don't really do much. They just tie the mains together. Unlike the big blocks where everything get tied into the block by the oil pan rails.

I wouldn't waste the $300 on a girdle myself.

2.There was a post were they compared them on a dyno and if I remember right there wasn't a whole lot of difference.


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Re: Small Block Storker Folks, 2 Questions [Re: FlyFish] #244971
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Im building a similat stroker, mine is a K1 crank, Childs track master rods, diamond pistons, and Im not going to be racing the car a lot, but for what the girdle kit is priced at from Hughes why not. Its a reasonable priced piece of insurance. If you already have the studs, just order the girdle and instructions.

Im running B1BA heads, and 10.5:1 comp, hydro roller cam, and the thing should be pretty bullet proof to a certain point.

I would.

Kasey

Re: Small Block Storker Folks, 2 Questions [Re: Moparnut426] #244972
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Something to look into, will the 4" stroke clear the girdle without doing any clearancing?


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Re: Small Block Storker Folks, 2 Questions [Re: FlyFish] #244973
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Quote:

I’m almost done getting parts for my 408 build and I have 2 parts left I’m considering, even though I am WAY over budget (but hey, I’m stimulating the economy right?).

1. Do I NEED a girdle for the bottom end if I am already using studs.
2. Would a Victor 340 intake make a significant change in power (like take the car from low 11’s to high 10’s) over the Air-gap.

Here is the rest of the combo right as of right now:

360 block, Eagle 4.00 inch steel crank, Scat I-beams, 10.6:1 compression
Eddy heads with stage 2 port from Shady Dell (being sent to Ryan today)
Comp XE286R solid roller 248/254 @ 0.05, .576/.582 lift,
Air-Gap (If I don’t get a Victor 340), 750 dp
727, 8 inch PTC converter, 4.10 gear, 28x11.5 Hoosier QTP,
3250 lbs with driver.

Thanks in advance,

Dave




Oh you're the guy I talked to on the 3 way convo the other day with his wife.... You should have said you post on moparts. Never know who I'm talking to....


No girdle.... Just put ARP studs in it. No windage tray....

If you don't already have a manifold, I'd buy the Victor instead of the AG.

What header?

Try to work on borrowing bigger carb sometime in future for track testing to see if does anything. If that's a basic 4779 Holley 750 DP, you'll probably find some power going to something little more "trick" or bigger like a 950 HP or 950 Pro Form etc. See if you can find someone to borrow one from just to try at a test/tune day etc. Or think about a Pro Form main body for it......

Re: Small Block Storker Folks, 2 Questions [Re: RyanJ] #244974
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Oh you're the guy I talked to on the 3 way convo the other day with his wife....




3 way with his wife!!!!!!

Wow Ryan you the man, I guess there are perks to being an engine builder..

Sorry Dave had to be done....

On with the post...........

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Re: Small Block Storker Folks, 2 Questions [Re: DemonDust] #244975
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Holy crap that was funny!...yes that's me from the other day.

Ryan,
The car has Headman Hustlers with 1 3/4 primary's. The carb started life as a Holley 650 dp...it now has a Proform main body.


67 Barracuda street car, 408, e85, 1.38 60', 6.44 @105.9 in the 1/8 mile, 10.19 @130.5 in the 1/4...so far....
Re: Small Block Storker Folks, 2 Questions [Re: FlyFish] #244976
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nice combo i use to run a victor then i went to asuper victor i have a extra victor

Re: Small Block Storker Folks, 2 Questions [Re: FlyFish] #244977
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I would ask Ryan Johnson about that cam if you are trying to run high 10's. Would think you need a bit more lift and duration. Do you already have pistons if not bump it up.

Re: Small Block Storker Folks, 2 Questions [Re: 68Fastback] #244978
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Yeah I think I told him about the cam.... But I think he already has it. I dynoed a motor years ago with that grind in it, it made 530's on the old SF901 at 11:1. That would be enough to run a high 10 in his car.... It's not optimal but if combo works good I think it will run in the high 10's at 3200 lbs. Yeah I agree if I was starting from scratch I'd be doing like 11:1 or just hair more & cam more in the high 250's low 260's @ .050" range. But sometimes you gotta work with you've got.

The 1 3/4 Super Comps will be fine.

Re: Small Block Storker Folks, 2 Questions [Re: RyanJ] #244979
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I would agree with Ryan. To get in the 10's it will need more carb.

Re: Small Block Storker Folks, 2 Questions [Re: rt66jim] #244980
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I would agree with Ryan. To get in the 10's it will need more cash.




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Re: Small Block Storker Folks, 2 Questions [Re: rt66jim] #244981
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I would agree with Ryan. To get in the 10's it will need more carb.



Mine has a solid flat tappet, ported factory heads and has gone 10.52 @ 126 with an old 750 dp. Only mod is a milled off air horn. It has gone 6.59 @ 104 in the 1/8 with that carb, which would be close to 10.40 in the 1/4. The cam at the time had 263 dur @ .050 and 607" lift. If everything is working good together he can reach the 10's with a 750 with some tuning.

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I wasnt gona say it, but my stroker goes faster with the old 750 vs the 950...It just likes it more...

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Well if you get it together and it runs low 11s you can always swap that Hemi/tow truck 727 trans for a 904 and run high 10s.

The ol Duster runs 10.70-80s with junk J heads smaller cam 4.10 gears and a 904.

We use an ancient BG 850 opened up to a 1000cfm so I would get a HP series.,... probably a 950.....


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