Trans option for manual Hellcat conversion?
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We are ordering a hellcat engine for the Charger in a couple weeks. Just getting other stuff lined up too.
Appears magnum force is pretty backup on there suspension parts. 8weeks from what I hear.
But my main question is the trans option. I am new to these conversions so what is our trans option.
Are people really paying $8K for a 6 speed trans!! I know this is not a cheap project but was hoping the trans option was going to be a little more reasonable.. Thanks for any help.
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Re: Trans option for manual Hellcat conversion?
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T-56 is about the only thing that will hold up, the TKO 600 needs some help Liberty Gear magnum XL 6060 (t56 for some of the old timers) starts @ 3550 Rockland Gear T-56/Tranzilla Magnum , not sure what price they are now, the last one I bought was bought for 2016 Hellcat that burned down( fire sale I guess you could call it) paid $1600 for it.
as for 8k, for a trans, if that's what they'll pay then yeah, I know I won't pay that much , hit Ebay there's always a T-56 or Magnum in the 2-3k price range
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Re: Trans option for manual Hellcat conversion?
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Would the Passon 855 be an option? I think it has a pretty high rating Should work, there are 833s behind Gen3s out there. Just better not be in a hurry to get it...
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Re: Trans option for manual Hellcat conversion?
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I picked up a viper t56 for project. Rated to 650trq, the new t56 magnums are rated to 700. But for what I paid, I could buy 3 new magnums. They are actually good for a lot more power as long as your not running slicks and dumping the clutch.
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Re: Trans option for manual Hellcat conversion?
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I picked up a viper t56 for project. Rated to 650trq, the new t56 magnums are rated to 700. But for what I paid, I could buy 3 new magnums. They are actually good for a lot more power as long as your not running slicks and dumping the clutch. That works if you know where the trans came from. I didn’t want a used supercar transmission that could have had slicks and plenty of clutch dumping. I know what I’m working with by using a brand new trans.
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Re: Trans option for manual Hellcat conversion?
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I picked up a viper t56 for project. Rated to 650trq, the new t56 magnums are rated to 700. But for what I paid, I could buy 3 new magnums. They are actually good for a lot more power as long as your not running slicks and dumping the clutch. That works if you know where the trans came from. I didn’t want a used supercar transmission that could have had slicks and plenty of clutch dumping. I know what I’m working with by using a brand new trans. With that logic, then why didn't you buy a new mopar built crate hemi? I can have this viper t56 built up and still have less into it than a new t56 magnum. Same way I go about engines... rather build my own and know what I have exactly.
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Re: Trans option for manual Hellcat conversion?
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I picked up a viper t56 for project. Rated to 650trq, the new t56 magnums are rated to 700. But for what I paid, I could buy 3 new magnums. They are actually good for a lot more power as long as your not running slicks and dumping the clutch. That works if you know where the trans came from. I didn’t want a used supercar transmission that could have had slicks and plenty of clutch dumping. I know what I’m working with by using a brand new trans. With that logic, then why didn't you buy a new mopar built crate hemi? I can have this viper t56 built up and still have less into it than a new t56 magnum. Same way I go about engines... rather build my own and know what I have exactly. The reman 5.7L Hemi was free, it was merely disassembled for a time study. So no, I didn't buy a new crate to replace a reman engine with 0 miles on it, but I appreciate your concern.
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Re: Trans option for manual Hellcat conversion?
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I picked up a viper t56 for project. Rated to 650trq, the new t56 magnums are rated to 700. But for what I paid, I could buy 3 new magnums. They are actually good for a lot more power as long as your not running slicks and dumping the clutch. That works if you know where the trans came from. I didn’t want a used supercar transmission that could have had slicks and plenty of clutch dumping. I know what I’m working with by using a brand new trans. With that logic, then why didn't you buy a new mopar built crate hemi? I can have this viper t56 built up and still have less into it than a new t56 magnum. Same way I go about engines... rather build my own and know what I have exactly. The reman 5.7L Hemi was free, it was merely disassembled for a time study. So no, I didn't buy a new crate to replace a reman engine with 0 miles on it, but I appreciate your concern. So you paid 3k plus for a trans that will handle twice the power your reman hemi makes? Guess if you get things for free then might as well blow $ on other things you don't really need. Some of us actual pay for our own parts.
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Re: Trans option for manual Hellcat conversion?
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So you'd rebuild the first one if it went out... Why not just buy another new one instead? Isn't that contradicting everything you just said? I did mention buying a second new trans. The T56 Magnum currently in my car was brand new and I put all of the miles on it so I know its exact history. Will rebuild it with all new parts as well when the time comes and keep it as a spare. Totally different from buying a used trans from someone else. Hell, I'll probably do the same thing with my engine, buy another brand new 426 aluminum crate and rebuild the current to keep around ready to go when needed.
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Re: Trans option for manual Hellcat conversion?
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The T56 Magnum currently in my car was brand new and I put all of the miles on it so I know its exact history. Will rebuild it with all new parts as well when the time comes and keep it as a spare. Totally different from buying a used trans from someone else. Hell, I'll probably do the same thing with my engine, buy another brand new 426 aluminum crate and rebuild the current to keep around ready to go when needed. Whats the difference if you buy a used one and put all new parts in even if it was owned by someone else. What does the history have to do with it if your replacing everything... Used is used!
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Re: Trans option for manual Hellcat conversion?
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It means everything to me. I have no idea if the guy selling me a used trans had previously dropped it or not? Why would you sell a used T56 Magnum anyways as they are great transmissions that anyone would want, unless there is something wrong with it and that person selling needed to get rid of it. Used parts work for you and thats aweome! More power to you as well as cash in your wallet. I just personally do not trust any used parts. With a brand new trans, everything is 100% good which leaves no doubt. Parts also have a finite life span as well. Nothing raced and abused lasts forever. Did you buy your cuda new? Are you sure it wasn't abused previously? And btw, even new parts break. If someone can afford 20k for a hellcat crate engine/harness, then they can afford a new t56 or a built one built beyond what they need. But a viper spec t56 meets the specs needed and most have under 10k miles on them. Bigger problem is the clutch/bellhousing. As quicktime bells designed to fit the earlier cars aren't big enough for a twin disc you would get in a new challenger.
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Re: Trans option for manual Hellcat conversion?
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If you want to argue for the sake of arguing I guess you have somewhat of a small point, but you're missing (likely on purpose for the sake of arguing) the (I'd say) general consensus of going with a part that you know the history of an rebuilding, vs shelling out big $$$ up front for a used transmission and then having to possibly rebuild it, and then discover that some clown was rugging it, banging it into gear and it now has a split case. If you look at my first post, you will see I just mentioned an option that would work. The op wanted a cheaper option than spending 8k for a 6 speed transmission. A viper spec t56 is rated for 650trq which is what a hellcrate crate engine makes. How many people here have bought and used USED 4 speed transmissions... last I checked they don't make them new. You guys seem to be set on using all new stuff, but not everything can be bought new and I use used parts all the time.
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Re: Trans option for manual Hellcat conversion?
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PM replied! Also if anyone wants a quote for T56 Magnums please email me at rylispro@gmail.com as I may not see my PM's as quick. Just a heads up, I talked to Clay Reynolds at Tremec and he said that for now they will be making both close and wide ratio versions, but will eventually phase out the close ratio 0.80 5th and 0.63 6th TUET11009 & TUET11010 Magnums due to low demand.
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Re: Trans option for manual Hellcat conversion?
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The hellcat crate will have the oem challnger twin disc. Not sure if quicktime makes a bellhousing that is large enough. I did come across this while looking for a bell that would work with a larger twin disc clutch: http://bwoodyperformance.com/proddetail.php?prod=BBG-BH The newer challenger have a tall flywheel, stepped, so could cause issues with the bellhousing quicktime offers because of the height of the assembly.
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Re: Trans option for manual Hellcat conversion?
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I got a reply from Holley: So if that is true, it would make sense as that is the taller of the Gen3 Quicktime bellhousings. I can also get good pricing on all of Quicktime's bells so just let me know! Rm-8077 Gen3 to T56 height =6.465" RM-8081 Gen3 to T56 height = 7.339" Good info on the hellcat flywheel Silver70! Nice ebay price as well on the Mcleod 6913-07. Unfortunately I can't match his price. My second T56 Magnum just came in as well and looks great!
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