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#2450538 - 02/12/18 02:49 AM Re: Trans option for manual Hellcat conversion? [Re: RylisPro]
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Originally Posted By RylisPro
It means everything to me. I have no idea if the guy selling me a used trans had previously dropped it or not? Why would you sell a used T56 Magnum anyways as they are great transmissions that anyone would want, unless there is something wrong with it and that person selling needed to get rid of it. Used parts work for you and thats aweome! More power to you as well as cash in your wallet. I just personally do not trust any used parts.

With a brand new trans, everything is 100% good which leaves no doubt. Parts also have a finite life span as well. Nothing raced and abused lasts forever.


Did you buy your cuda new? Are you sure it wasn't abused previously? laugh2 And btw, even new parts break.

If someone can afford 20k for a hellcat crate engine/harness, then they can afford a new t56 or a built one built beyond what they need. But a viper spec t56 meets the specs needed and most have under 10k miles on them. Bigger problem is the clutch/bellhousing. As quicktime bells designed to fit the earlier cars aren't big enough for a twin disc you would get in a new challenger.

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#2450539 - 02/12/18 02:50 AM Re: Trans option for manual Hellcat conversion? [Re: Silver70]
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If you want to argue for the sake of arguing I guess you have somewhat of a small point, but you're missing (likely on purpose for the sake of arguing) the (I'd say) general consensus of going with a part that you know the history of an rebuilding, vs shelling out big $$$ up front for a used transmission and then having to possibly rebuild it, and then discover that some clown was rugging it, banging it into gear and it now has a split case.

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#2450540 - 02/12/18 02:57 AM Re: Trans option for manual Hellcat conversion? [Re: WO23Coronet]
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Originally Posted By WO23Coronet
If you want to argue for the sake of arguing I guess you have somewhat of a small point, but you're missing (likely on purpose for the sake of arguing) the (I'd say) general consensus of going with a part that you know the history of an rebuilding, vs shelling out big $$$ up front for a used transmission and then having to possibly rebuild it, and then discover that some clown was rugging it, banging it into gear and it now has a split case.


If you look at my first post, you will see I just mentioned an option that would work. The op wanted a cheaper option than spending 8k for a 6 speed transmission. A viper spec t56 is rated for 650trq which is what a hellcrate crate engine makes.

How many people here have bought and used USED 4 speed transmissions... last I checked they don't make them new. You guys seem to be set on using all new stuff, but not everything can be bought new and I use used parts all the time.

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#2450542 - 02/12/18 03:29 AM Re: Trans option for manual Hellcat conversion? [Re: Silver70]
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I agree with you on the cost savings on the used stuff no doubt. There is a time factor when you have to refurbish an old viper t56 though. Taking it apart getting things replaced takes time. Not doing so means that you have less reliability.

My Cuda is used but nearly all of the parts I have on it were brand new. One of the reasons why it runs great!
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#2450607 - 02/12/18 09:29 AM Re: Trans option for manual Hellcat conversion? [Re: WO23Coronet]
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Originally Posted By WO23Coronet
If you want to argue for the sake of arguing I guess you have somewhat of a small point, but you're missing (likely on purpose for the sake of arguing) the (I'd say) general consensus of going with a part that you know the history of an rebuilding, vs shelling out big $$$ up front for a used transmission and then having to possibly rebuild it, and then discover that some clown was rugging it, banging it into gear and it now has a split case.


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#2452829 - 02/16/18 08:08 PM Re: Trans option for manual Hellcat conversion? [Re: RylisPro]
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I'm a Tremec Dealer now & can get Brand new T56 Magnum TUET11009's shipped to your door way less than the major online parts vendor. Give me a call for details and pricing!


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#2455584 - 02/22/18 10:46 AM Re: Trans option for manual Hellcat conversion? [Re: mymcodebee]
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So we ordered the hellcat crate yesterday from our local dealer.
From what I understand it comes with a clutch setup..?
Does the setup work with the T56?

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#2455587 - 02/22/18 10:48 AM Re: Trans option for manual Hellcat conversion? [Re: RylisPro]
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PM sent.

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#2455600 - 02/22/18 11:14 AM Re: Trans option for manual Hellcat conversion? [Re: mymcodebee]
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Hellcats use a tr6060, basically the same as a t56. You just need to see which bellhousing you'll need based on what trans you use and clutch size.

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#2455631 - 02/22/18 11:53 AM Re: Trans option for manual Hellcat conversion? [Re: mymcodebee]
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PM replied!

Also if anyone wants a quote for T56 Magnums please email me at rylispro@gmail.com as I may not see my PM's as quick.

Just a heads up, I talked to Clay Reynolds at Tremec and he said that for now they will be making both close and wide ratio versions, but will eventually phase out the close ratio 0.80 5th and 0.63 6th TUET11009 & TUET11010 Magnums due to low demand.
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#2455682 - 02/22/18 01:19 PM Re: Trans option for manual Hellcat conversion? [Re: RylisPro]
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So we've decided on the T56. Will the supplied clutch work with a T56 and the proper bellhousing.

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#2455693 - 02/22/18 01:36 PM Re: Trans option for manual Hellcat conversion? [Re: mymcodebee]
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Do you have a part number for the supplied clutch that you have? I will need to do some research to see if it will fit properly. The T56 Magnums do not come with a clutch or a bellhousing.

Quicktime has several bellhousings that will fit a Gen3. I have RM-8074 behind my car
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#2455741 - 02/22/18 03:34 PM Re: Trans option for manual Hellcat conversion? [Re: mymcodebee]
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The hellcat crate will have the oem challnger twin disc. Not sure if quicktime makes a bellhousing that is large enough. I did come across this while looking for a bell that would work with a larger twin disc clutch:
http://bwoodyperformance.com/proddetail.php?prod=BBG-BH

The newer challenger have a tall flywheel, stepped, so could cause issues with the bellhousing quicktime offers because of the height of the assembly.

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#2455780 - 02/22/18 04:49 PM Re: Trans option for manual Hellcat conversion? [Re: Silver70]
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Hey that info is good to know! Thanks!
I called Holley who owns Quicktime now. The tech checked over part numbers and didn't have one for a hellcat crate to a T56 Magnum. He did state that if need be, they can custom make a bellhousing for any application. Just a matter of paying for it!
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#2455804 - 02/22/18 05:51 PM Re: Trans option for manual Hellcat conversion? [Re: mymcodebee]
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This is the clutch it will come with:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Genuine-Mopar-HEMI-Hellcat-clutch-pressure-plate-flywheel-assembly-FREE-SHIPPING/372211748944?epid=871611046&hash=item56a98c9050:g:iuEAAOSwkvFadGiK&vxp=mtr

As you can see the flywheel is raised with a step the disc surface.

I think it would be easier/cheaper in the long run to run something like this:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Chrysler-Hemi-392-Hays-Billet-Aluminum-Flywheel/112699772891?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649

Then you can use an off the shelf quicktime designed for a gen 3 hemi and run a clutch like this or step up to the rtx for closer to 1000. This clutch usually runs around 750, but somehow this seller gets them cheaper and I bought one from this seller:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/67010003-HDC-10-5-TWIN-DISC-CLUTCH-UP-TO-800HP-GM-1-1-8-X-26-SPLINE-6913-07/192463847620?hash=item2ccfbd40c4:g:BZ0AAOSwnodajwBw

It would save modifying the firewall also as I don't think one made to run a stock hellcat clutch will clear the firewill pinch weld area... but but not like you don't already have to cut the floor for the t56

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#2455813 - 02/22/18 06:08 PM Re: Trans option for manual Hellcat conversion? [Re: RylisPro]
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I got a reply from Holley:

So if that is true, it would make sense as that is the taller of the Gen3 Quicktime bellhousings. I can also get good pricing on all of Quicktime's bells so just let me know!

Rm-8077 Gen3 to T56 height =6.465"
RM-8081 Gen3 to T56 height = 7.339"

Good info on the hellcat flywheel Silver70! Nice ebay price as well on the Mcleod 6913-07. Unfortunately I can't match his price.

My second T56 Magnum just came in as well and looks great!

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#2455865 - 02/22/18 07:59 PM Re: Trans option for manual Hellcat conversion? [Re: mymcodebee]
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The issue with the rm8077 is the starter is on the right side and may interfere with the typical swap headers.

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#2456062 - 02/23/18 09:17 AM Re: Trans option for manual Hellcat conversion? [Re: mymcodebee]
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I have a extra bell housing from a gen2 viper in the garage. Not sure if it works in this application but worth looking into.

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#2456315 - 02/23/18 05:22 PM Re: Trans option for manual Hellcat conversion? [Re: mymcodebee]
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I looked into that and they don't bolt up... they say they are a small block with 2 added cylinders, but something is different on the pattern.

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#2467304 - 03/16/18 10:59 AM Re: Trans option for manual Hellcat conversion? [Re: RylisPro]
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I saw this on sixpackgut's instagram. It is gsnider73's Dakota getting a Hellcat engine

I asked gsnider73 and he did confirm that the bellhousing he's using is an RM-8074. If anyone needs one let me know as I can get good pricing on all Quick Time bells.
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