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#2443924 - 01/31/18 05:19 AM Who knows old Corvettes?
Pale_Roader Offline
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Got a friend here who's become obsessed with building a road-race (daily driver) classic Vette. He was originally looking at doing a 70-71 E-body for this, but has since turned onto Vettes for the idea simply because they're smaller, sleeker, 2-seaters, and probably all around better for the job. No one's gonna debate a 63-72 Vette is every bit as cool as an E-body. Well... not too many people...

He's looking at any C2 Vette (63-67) or 68-72 (steel bumper) C3 Vettes. I've always liked these years too, but gotta admit i know nothing about them. Figured i'd ask here as some here must know them pretty well.

Did these cars handle well? compared to say, the top-tier pony cars? T/A/AAR E-bodies, Camaro SS/Z28, Boss Mustangs? etc. Can they be made to handle well like our Mopars can with the usual mods? Would it take more? less?

What sort ov things does a buyer look for in an old Corvette?

He's not restoring a car or making it beautiful... just fast and reliable.

Its been a while, but i cannot believe how expensive the C2's, ANY C2 has gotten. They've flown right out the window... insane. And then you have the C3's... even the cool early ones, like 68-9... dirt cheap. Hell, dirt cheap compared to E-bodies! I'm finding running driving 68-70 Vettes, decent ones, for well under 20K, a few for well under 15K. You cant even find a running rallye Challenger (that isn't junk) for that.

Am i missing something here? I would have thought a 427 Vette would be as big a money car in our world as anything. I might start looking at them myself, but i have a neat lil AMX still waiting patiently to come home...

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#2443940 - 01/31/18 07:29 AM Re: Who knows old Corvettes? [Re: Pale_Roader]
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I can reply at least on the C3: don't assume there is no rust. These cars rust in the windshield header, cowl, and the frame. Overall they are pretty basic, body on frame, and not too hard to work on. An OE resto on a C3 can get real spendy (been there) but as for building a car to thrash I think it would be a blast. I've considered building one as a thrasher, everything on a C3 is heavy: hidden headlights, trim, even the radio weighs a ton. Would be easy to lighten up on of these things.


Edited by 56_Royal_Lancer (01/31/18 03:46 PM)

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#2443981 - 01/31/18 09:15 AM Re: Who knows old Corvettes? [Re: Pale_Roader]
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Lancer above pretty much covered it. The cheaper '68-'72's you are seeing most likely have rust issues. Repairing the birdcage can get expensive.
C2/C3's handle pretty well as is and there are aftermarket suspension upgrades that take it up to the next level. Nice C2's/'68-'72 are pricey and your friend might look at a '73 up to modify. They are cheaper but share the same basic layout.
Have him spend some time on https://www.corvetteforum.com/ and he will find many C2/C3's that have been modified like he wants to do.
I have a '72 vette and a '70 e-body and love them both.

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#2444016 - 01/31/18 10:12 AM Re: Who knows old Corvettes? [Re: FM3AAR]
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This started as "oh, I just want to get the radio and fuel gauge to work"


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#2444021 - 01/31/18 10:15 AM Re: Who knows old Corvettes? [Re: 56_Royal_Lancer]
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Stripped to bare glass. I had known this car for decades, it was almost always garaged and yet the windshield frame was so rotted I had to cut it off and replace it.


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Edited by 56_Royal_Lancer (01/31/18 10:18 AM)

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#2444023 - 01/31/18 10:21 AM Re: Who knows old Corvettes? [Re: 56_Royal_Lancer]
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My brother is pretty damn good with a gun, he shot the car in his garage. If I come across the finished pics I will post one.


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#2444028 - 01/31/18 10:28 AM Re: Who knows old Corvettes? [Re: 56_Royal_Lancer]
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Originally Posted By 56_Royal_Lancer
Stripped to bare glass. I had known this car for decades, it was almost always garaged and yet the windshield frame was so rotted I had to cut it off and replace it.


I don't envy doing that job. I "think" mine is OK, afraid to look, LOL.
Looks like you have a '69-'72?
Watch that center cluster bezel. They break easily at that thin point.
Here's my '72. I sold my '71 cuda to my brother to buy it back in '74.


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#2444052 - 01/31/18 11:31 AM Re: Who knows old Corvettes? [Re: FM3AAR]
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FM3AAR - your blue coupe is a knockout, very cool.
My car is a '72, red/ red/red hardtop, auto, air, whitewalls and luggage rack. It had add-on power windows & Rally mirrors, which I put back to stock. I will never, ever attempt a dead-stock resto again on any car.
Surprised we haven't gotten any crap (yet) for all this Corvette love on Moparts

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#2444070 - 01/31/18 12:12 PM Re: Who knows old Corvettes? [Re: Pale_Roader]
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The C3's have become very popular in the last few years on the Pro-Touring/Autocross scene. Just look at some of the Otima Ultimate Street Car events. I believe Detroit Speed, Maier Racing, and others have some serious handling bits available for them. Maier Racings stuff is fast and track proven.


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#2444083 - 01/31/18 12:49 PM Re: Who knows old Corvettes? [Re: Pale_Roader]
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Can't help with answers other than the rust in the windshield frame. but it sounds like a cool project. I like the 63 Grand Sport kit cars from Mongoose. Use modern vette running gear with a classic wrapper.
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#2444158 - 01/31/18 03:02 PM Re: Who knows old Corvettes? [Re: Pale_Roader]
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Unless you get an aluminum engine, I would stick with a small block. Just like e-bodies, they handle a lot better. Mid year, 327, 4-spd would be my favorite.

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#2444171 - 01/31/18 03:32 PM Re: Who knows old Corvettes? [Re: Dave Hall]
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I found the finished Corvette photos. Very much a laid back cruiser


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#2444246 - 01/31/18 06:30 PM Re: Who knows old Corvettes? [Re: Pale_Roader]
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56 Royal - great job !! Car looks awesome, always loved that long hood and swoopy front fenders . . . nothing wrong with a basic 350 driver . . .

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#2444291 - 01/31/18 07:31 PM Re: Who knows old Corvettes? [Re: 56_Royal_Lancer]
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Originally Posted By 56_Royal_Lancer

Surprised we haven't gotten any crap (yet) for all this Corvette love on Moparts


Yeah, me too!

Buddy's looking at a C2, or a 69-69 C3, ideally. He's going from the 'money' E-bodies to vettes, so he's not going to settle for anything but the best. He's the kind ov guy that will want a 71 Cuda, and will walk before he drives a 72. The 73's and up look different, and i'd imagine are heavier yet. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say he's probably not getting into a 63-67... i cant believe how expensive these have gotten in the past decade or so. He's also going small block, whether its a 427 car or not. I'd imagine he'll go LS and certainly 6-speed.

Are they heavy? How about room for wide tires? The answers seem obvious, but you never know.

I have zero experience with these. I dont even know anyone that owns one. I rode in a POS 77 L82 (think those were rated around 80HP? haha) smog boat once, chugging like a farmtruck, and that still felt like a race car. I aspire to make an E-body feel like that someday. Or maybe my AMX...

The more i think about this the more i like the old idea i had ov a 63 split-window version ov the 'King of the Mountain' vette... Anyone remember that car?


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#2444292 - 01/31/18 07:32 PM Re: Who knows old Corvettes? [Re: Pale_Roader]
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#2444338 - 01/31/18 08:21 PM Re: Who knows old Corvettes? [Re: Pale_Roader]
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Back in the day the hot small block was the 70 LT1 350, by far. Now the choices are endless, but the time tested 383 (400 crank in a 350 block) is usually a great performer.

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#2444384 - 01/31/18 09:30 PM Re: Who knows old Corvettes? [Re: Pale_Roader]
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im after a 1970..Glenwood Green LS5 car..tribute to my uncle that paid the ultimate price in Nam... They made a few LS6 versions in 71/72...huge loot for those...


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#2444440 - 01/31/18 11:16 PM Re: Who knows old Corvettes? [Re: Pale_Roader]
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Love the blue Pickett car: kept the character of the car even with wider fenders, perfect stance, and dead-serious wheel/tire combo.
As for finding a suitable car, I'd look at the ads in Grassroots Motorsports, and Hemmings too. Nice to have the hard work already done & sorted. Might even find something with a history that will be a good investment.

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#2444459 - 01/31/18 11:54 PM Re: Who knows old Corvettes? [Re: 56_Royal_Lancer]
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Originally Posted By 56_Royal_Lancer
I found the finished Corvette photos. Very much a laid back cruiser


Hey 56, very nicely done and it's a vert! thumbs

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#2444479 - 02/01/18 01:10 AM Re: Who knows old Corvettes? [Re: FM3AAR]
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If you beat on them like a Mopar be prepared to do a lot of work on them to keep them going. I had a 1 year old 79 and drove it like I drove my Mopars back then. They don't stand up. Rearends are weak, u-joints pound out of them, the factory clutches were weak, Transmissions don't stand up to power shifting etc.
They have good brakes (calipers used to be a problem, not sure now) and handle well although a bit fidgety compared to solid axle car.
Bodies are cheap and rattle a lot.
the late 70's seem to go cheap and the next iteration (80's) go for dirt cheap as well, those 80's ones might be good to pickup and modify the heck out of?
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