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#2444492 - 02/01/18 03:44 AM Re: Who knows old Corvettes? [Re: Pacnorthcuda]
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Originally Posted By Pacnorthcuda
Back in the day the hot small block was the 70 LT1 350, by far. Now the choices are endless, but the time tested 383 (400 crank in a 350 block) is usually a great performer.


Actually, if i was going to build a non-LS SBC, i'd go the opposite way... 400 block and 350 crank. 377. WAY better. I wouldn't though. LS is the obvious choice here. There is literally nothing i like about the old small block Chevy.

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#2444493 - 02/01/18 03:48 AM Re: Who knows old Corvettes? [Re: RUNCHARGER]
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Originally Posted By RUNCHARGER
If you beat on them like a Mopar be prepared to do a lot of work on them to keep them going. I had a 1 year old 79 and drove it like I drove my Mopars back then. They don't stand up. Rearends are weak, u-joints pound out of them, the factory clutches were weak, Transmissions don't stand up to power shifting etc.
They have good brakes (calipers used to be a problem, not sure now) and handle well although a bit fidgety compared to solid axle car.
Bodies are cheap and rattle a lot.
the late 70's seem to go cheap and the next iteration (80's) go for dirt cheap as well, those 80's ones might be good to pickup and modify the heck out of?


They're cheap for the same reason Diplomats and Cordobas are cheap... big, ugly, slow and heavy... and nobody wants 'em. Wonder if an older 427 car would be built much better? I'd assume there'd be some weak factory links to bring up to snuff before you could beat on them... just like our cars.

I've always read that the first year C3, the 68 was particularly prone to the first-year gremlins. Heard they were awful. Maybe thats why i only see 69's for sale.

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#2444494 - 02/01/18 04:01 AM Re: Who knows old Corvettes? [Re: Pale_Roader]
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You would put an LS in a 69-70 C3 but complain about later 70's as being slow? They certainly were, put the damn LS in those!----not the vintage desireable muscle car era cars.

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#2444522 - 02/01/18 08:02 AM Re: Who knows old Corvettes? [Re: Pale_Roader]
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Oh yeah - I remember this car & "King of the Mountain" movie - Dennis Hopper was the Corvette driver: "Time is speed - speed is time..." That one is worth a re-watch.
For those that commented on my '72 'Vette 'Vert, thank you. It was a ton of work and probably the last show poodle that I will build. I really didn't enjoy the hard-core Corvette crowd as they tried to find any flaw or non-oe pieces. I mean, they were just looking for something wrong so they could sound smart by pointing it out. I had way more fun building and driving my 440-powered '56 Dodge.
Originally Posted By Pale_Roader
Originally Posted By 56_Royal_Lancer

Surprised we haven't gotten any crap (yet) for all this Corvette love on Moparts


Yeah, me too!

Buddy's looking at a C2, or a 69-69 C3, ideally. He's going from the 'money' E-bodies to vettes, so he's not going to settle for anything but the best. He's the kind ov guy that will want a 71 Cuda, and will walk before he drives a 72. The 73's and up look different, and i'd imagine are heavier yet. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say he's probably not getting into a 63-67... i cant believe how expensive these have gotten in the past decade or so. He's also going small block, whether its a 427 car or not. I'd imagine he'll go LS and certainly 6-speed.

Are they heavy? How about room for wide tires? The answers seem obvious, but you never know.

I have zero experience with these. I dont even know anyone that owns one. I rode in a POS 77 L82 (think those were rated around 80HP? haha) smog boat once, chugging like a farmtruck, and that still felt like a race car. I aspire to make an E-body feel like that someday. Or maybe my AMX...

The more i think about this the more i like the old idea i had ov a 63 split-window version ov the 'King of the Mountain' vette... Anyone remember that car?


Edited by 56_Royal_Lancer (02/01/18 08:08 AM)

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#2444560 - 02/01/18 09:38 AM Re: Who knows old Corvettes? [Re: Pale_Roader]
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The C3's are a great platform to work with, I miss having one around and have considered a Chrome Bumper car too. I currently have a C5 Daily Driver, excellent car and they are pretty easy to build and cheap to buy in most cases, tons of mods available. As mentioned above, the C2 and C3 are prone to rust at the Windshield frame, on the C3 check the rear end U-Joints etc, but if you are building a road racer type of vehicle they would likely be upgraded anyway. The factory brakes are fine, some caliper issues on the originals. Aftermarket for performance upgrades, brake/suspension upgrades etc. are plentiful and relatively cheap compared to the MoPar world. Fun Cars, I would avoid the C4, especially the 80's version, ugly and poor quality, the 92-96 are nice cars with good performance but getting in and out of them is not the best due to the wide seal plate area.

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#2444561 - 02/01/18 09:39 AM Re: Who knows old Corvettes? [Re: FM3AAR]
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Originally Posted By FM3AAR
Originally Posted By 56_Royal_Lancer
Stripped to bare glass. I had known this car for decades, it was almost always garaged and yet the windshield frame was so rotted I had to cut it off and replace it.


I don't envy doing that job. I "think" mine is OK, afraid to look, LOL.
Looks like you have a '69-'72?
Watch that center cluster bezel. They break easily at that thin point.
Here's my '72. I sold my '71 cuda to my brother to buy it back in '74.


Beautiful Car.

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#2444587 - 02/01/18 10:08 AM Re: Who knows old Corvettes? [Re: Pale_Roader]
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What's your friends physical size? I've driven a couple c2 and c3 and fit much better in the early cars. I'm 6'2" and 250#...

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#2444602 - 02/01/18 10:34 AM Re: Who knows old Corvettes? [Re: Pale_Roader]
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My dad still has a 72 454 vette. I'll drive that from time to time and always envious of how it handles compared to our mopars..
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#2444794 - 02/01/18 04:04 PM Re: Who knows old Corvettes? [Re: Pale_Roader]
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I’ve been involved with these cars for years and most are money pits. People are surprised to find how rusted out the frames are as well as the suspension.
A late C 4 is a much better car and probably cheaper in the long run.
And the vacuum and electrical problems on a C3 will wear you out.

Here’s my current C2 I restored.


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#2444797 - 02/01/18 04:10 PM Re: Who knows old Corvettes? [Re: second 70]
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Top down and messing with a Ford guy.


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#2444841 - 02/01/18 05:31 PM Re: Who knows old Corvettes? [Re: Pale_Roader]
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I always thought it would bea dream to work on a bodyless chassis!

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#2444936 - 02/01/18 08:34 PM Re: Who knows old Corvettes? [Re: Pacnorthcuda]
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It is so very great to see all our " Bow tie " boys coming out of the closet. I knew we had many here. It just takes one or two to admit it and then they all pile on.

Now will all the Shonen Knife freaks all come out !! I have seen some of you here.

Any Uber drivers ? Kush, bang, Pop, " O" MY
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#2444946 - 02/01/18 08:49 PM Re: Who knows old Corvettes? [Re: yorker]
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Looks like "Second 70" went all NCRS on us!

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#2445088 - 02/02/18 05:59 AM Re: Who knows old Corvettes? [Re: Pacnorthcuda]
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Originally Posted By Pacnorthcuda
You would put an LS in a 69-70 C3 but complain about later 70's as being slow? They certainly were, put the damn LS in those!----not the vintage desireable muscle car era cars.



We're just not SBC fans, and the BBC is too big and heavy. Personally, if it were my build, i'd put an LS6 (the new LS version, not big block) in a C2 coupe. That'd be my dream build. Better yet? (WAAAY better yet...) Find me an LT5...

The mid-70's and up C3's are just gross, in every way. Never liked 'em... even as a kid. Besides, the point is a CLASSIC car, as in MOST desirable. He was telling me today it'd be C2 all the way, but after pricing out a couple dozen, it seems he's out. Even the absolute junk is pulling 20K+... Now he's talking 68-9 only, unless some absurd deal on an earlier one comes up.

The more research i do on this tangent, the more i remember just how badly i used to lust after a C2 coupe...

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#2445090 - 02/02/18 06:03 AM Re: Who knows old Corvettes? [Re: 56_Royal_Lancer]
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Originally Posted By 56_Royal_Lancer
Oh yeah - I remember this car & "King of the Mountain" movie - Dennis Hopper was the Corvette driver: "Time is speed - speed is time..." That one is worth a re-watch.
For those that commented on my '72 'Vette 'Vert, thank you. It was a ton of work and probably the last show poodle that I will build. I really didn't enjoy the hard-core Corvette crowd as they tried to find any flaw or non-oe pieces. I mean, they were just looking for something wrong so they could sound smart by pointing it out. I had way more fun building and driving my 440-powered '56 Dodge.


I've heard that about Corvette guys, and even the other Corvette guys complain about Corvette guys. I didn't think the Mopar guys could be beat in that dept. That whole attitude turned me right off dealing with any sort ov car guy for quite a while, save my greaser buddies obviously.

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#2445091 - 02/02/18 06:10 AM Re: Who knows old Corvettes? [Re: 65pacecar]
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Originally Posted By 65pacecar
The C3's are a great platform to work with, I miss having one around and have considered a Chrome Bumper car too. I currently have a C5 Daily Driver, excellent car and they are pretty easy to build and cheap to buy in most cases, tons of mods available. As mentioned above, the C2 and C3 are prone to rust at the Windshield frame, on the C3 check the rear end U-Joints etc, but if you are building a road racer type of vehicle they would likely be upgraded anyway. The factory brakes are fine, some caliper issues on the originals. Aftermarket for performance upgrades, brake/suspension upgrades etc. are plentiful and relatively cheap compared to the MoPar world. Fun Cars, I would avoid the C4, especially the 80's version, ugly and poor quality, the 92-96 are nice cars with good performance but getting in and out of them is not the best due to the wide seal plate area.


Interesting. I'm personally looking at buying a C5 Z06 for a daily driver, hopefully later this year. Absolutely sold on those cars now, but it wont be my hotrod. I always liked the C4 ZR-1... and was considering that instead, but the C5 just seems like (engine aside) a MUCH better car. I like the looks ov the 91-up C4's better, but i dont like the cheap looking 80's interiors. Apparently the C5's are WAAAAY simpler cars too.

Vettes are CHEAP compared to Mopars? Chevy, sure, but i figured the Corvette would be the exception. Very interesting.


ruderunner - My friend is average height, but muscular, nothing too hard to fit.

Mopars_1 - That much better?

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#2445210 - 02/02/18 11:55 AM Re: Who knows old Corvettes? [Re: 56_Royal_Lancer]
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Originally Posted By 56_Royal_Lancer
Looks like "Second 70" went all NCRS on us!


Lol Not even close. They would hate this car everything is powder coated even the springs and half shafts. Stainless polished like chrome. Straight body,perfect paint. In other words a car they never made. It's my car and I could care less about the vette experts think.

Mike

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#2445236 - 02/02/18 12:48 PM Re: Who knows old Corvettes? [Re: second 70]
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Originally Posted By second 70
Originally Posted By 56_Royal_Lancer
Looks like "Second 70" went all NCRS on us!


Lol Not even close. They would hate this car everything is powder coated even the springs and half shafts. Stainless polished like chrome. Straight body,perfect paint. In other words a car they never made. It's my car and I could care less about the vette experts think.

Mike


Well it's a great looking car. Knockoffs, gold stripe tires, is that color Goldwood yellow?

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#2445335 - 02/02/18 04:28 PM Re: Who knows old Corvettes? [Re: Pale_Roader]
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Yes XX paint code Goldwood yellow Never used on any other car than a 65 vette. 65 was the first corvette since 58 to be available in yellow.

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#2445368 - 02/02/18 06:00 PM Re: Who knows old Corvettes? [Re: Pale_Roader]
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Knowing old Corvettes is not something I will ever admit to, I don't care what can be proven otherwise! Never had more of a disdain for an automobile.
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