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Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: RBRE] #2433338
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Shafiroff sells a big chief style 632 with all premium internals (Dart Big M, Callies, Oliver, Diamond) for $27k carb to pan........1225hp.


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Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: RBRE] #2433400
01/12/18 02:44 PM
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Back to the BLOCKS, anybody get a call saying their block was being shipped? or is it the same old story, we will call you in a couple weeks.

Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: RBRE] #2433404
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From the three people I know that are waiting nothing has changed as of yet.

In the same boat ready to just move on.


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Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: RBRE] #2433547
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Ray and Todd have not commented on this thread since April...What does that tell you? None of the guys owed blocks I talk to have gotten anything but a run around also.

Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: RBRE] #2433574
01/12/18 08:32 PM
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PAR has 632's that'll make that much for about $20k. It's getting harder and harder to be a Mopar racer.

Really, until someone actually orders one, and runs it, get's good track numbers, it's BS. Easy to put crap out there like that, then when someone says you can buy one for $20,000 brand new? I call BS. It would take a reasonably stout 12* 632 to make that much because I checked. And in a steel block they go for around $28,500 with a single carb. Check Sunset, Schmidt, Reyer, etc. Do you really think the other guys don't know how to make power? Look at their numbers, more realistic. Believe me, I've been looking and watching.

Par's price doesn't include carb, belt drive, pump, and is really pretty vague as internals. And that's a 20* so it's at the limit.

Here is his site. http://parraceengines.com/engines/

Sunset http://sunsetperformanceengines.com/engi...le=PRO%20SERIES

Schmidt https://www.steveschmidtracing.com/drag-racing-engines/pro-sportsman-series/618-sr20-superman-series

Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: RBRE] #2433577
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Here are some real numbers
http://rehermorrison.com/product/583ci-super-series-12o/

http://rehermorrison.com/product/588ci-super-series-12o/

Notice that they list most everything, and not knocking Par. He has a procharged 540 locally that runs pretty good. He just doesn't list all of the parts and upgrades anyone with experience would want.

Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: camastomcat] #2433590
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I will never change from mopar and positivity will never own a dragster but if I did own a dragster I would buy a Chevy hat and a Chevy engine and join a Chevy website. Then I could quit be-itching.


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Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: pittsburghracer] #2433610
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Originally Posted By pittsburghracer
I will never change from mopar and positivity will never own a dragster but if I did own a dragster I would buy a Chevy hat and a Chevy engine and join a Chevy website. Then I could quit be-itching.




No disrespect but most living going now work family life ..but you get checks 50yrs if hoarding is good..

Me 46 this yr molar since 1995 still no great price parts..can buy a 632 short block race block included 7500. Hummmmmmm

Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: RBRE] #2433729
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Well, let’s not say anything about this situation of continuous broken promising so the administration here won’t have to fret about it. Really hate to see people that don’t sponsor the board being drug through the mud. Such a shame.


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Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: RBRE] #2433819
01/13/18 11:34 AM
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I'm still in the totally optimist boat regarding blocks.

For sure the reher chevy packages are impossible to argue with on power, and price. Plus if you can afford the shipping, or have time to drive, you can get them SAME DAY lol but....

I still love the mopar platform, despite all the short falls. I'll never be competing in a class that having a mope would make it impossible to win, so here I'll stay.

Sometimes it feels like loving a three legged dog.

Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: RBRE] #2433849
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with all the affordable pricing on these GM power plants (?),how do you all feel bout putting these GM power plants in your Mopars?







Me personally can't do it but I have no problem installing one in a Ford,AMC,or other GM base models.

Just can't see me putting one in my MOp. twocents

Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: RBRE] #2433860
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There is one Mopar combo that is still king and reasonable. That's a Hemi with a blower. Those can be had for $20,000 to $30,000 used. They still rule the alcohol and nitro classes. I think a lot of us that race and are needing increased power to qualify, could go that route. Like some have said here, the BAE, Noonan, AJE, and other stuff is an option if you have a deep wallet and want new.

Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: racerx] #2433911
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Originally Posted By racerx
with all the affordable pricing on these GM power plants (?),how do you all feel bout putting these GM power plants in your Mopars?







Me personally can't do it but I have no problem installing one in a Ford,AMC,or other GM base models.

Just can't see me putting one in my MOp. twocents


I could never put a gm power plant in a mopar but I do have a Buick with a mopar power plant. I still think regular old 440's with performer heads is a great return on the dollar. Cheap cores still compared to bbc. On the other hand mopar cars are expensive any more. Even a half decent A body brings a lot of money but something like a Buick skylark is pretty cheap and suspension parts are the same as a chevelle so they're relatively cheap and easily available. Lots of used stuff as well to be had. I bought the car for $1500 with a 455, th400 and a 12 bolt 4.11. Add a jw adapter, converter, roll bar, 440 and it's running high 10's for low $.

Itll be interesting to see if I can fit a hemi in it. Sometime this summer I plan on pulling the motor and laying hemi heads on the block to see if headers are even possible. If so I'll be the moron with a $1500 car and a $20,000 engine in it. That is if KB ever delivers the block I ordered in November of 2014.


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Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: camastomcat] #2435536
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Originally Posted By camastomcat

PAR has 632's that'll make that much for about $20k. It's getting harder and harder to be a Mopar racer.

Really, until someone actually orders one, and runs it, get's good track numbers, it's BS. Easy to put crap out there like that, then when someone says you can buy one for $20,000 brand new? I call BS. It would take a reasonably stout 12* 632 to make that much because I checked. And in a steel block they go for around $28,500 with a single carb. Check Sunset, Schmidt, Reyer, etc. Do you really think the other guys don't know how to make power? Look at their numbers, more realistic. Believe me, I've been looking and watching.

Par's price doesn't include carb, belt drive, pump, and is really pretty vague as internals. And that's a 20* so it's at the limit.

Here is his site. http://parraceengines.com/engines/

Sunset http://sunsetperformanceengines.com/engi...le=PRO%20SERIES

Schmidt https://www.steveschmidtracing.com/drag-racing-engines/pro-sportsman-series/618-sr20-superman-series

I know what you're saying. up I was just pointing out that a big HP 632 can be had real cheap. The cheap one may not have top quality parts, but just showing what's out there since a lot on here have no idea about anything other than Mopar.
FWIW...a friend had a single dominator 632 from PAR that made over 1200 hp on motor and had 2 foggers on it. Ran real good, but I don't know what he paid for it. That was 10 years ago.


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'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
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Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: RBRE] #2435622
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I understand what you are saying but it doesn't matter how cheap a Chevy is to me. If they offered me a 1200 HP Chevy motor for free I'd rather go down to the bank and borrow $30,000 and build a Hemi. My happiness is what matters to me, being in debt doesn't bother me. Being unhappy does. I could never be happy racing a Chevy.


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Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: rickseeman] #2436078
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Originally Posted By rickseeman
I understand what you are saying but it doesn't matter how cheap a Chevy is to me. If they offered me a 1200 HP Chevy motor for free I'd rather go down to the bank and borrow $30,000 and build a Hemi. My happiness is what matters to me, being in debt doesn't bother me. Being unhappy does. I could never be happy racing a Chevy.



iagree


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Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: Hemi_Joel] #2436371
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Originally Posted By Hemi_Joel
Originally Posted By rickseeman
I understand what you are saying but it doesn't matter how cheap a Chevy is to me. If they offered me a 1200 HP Chevy motor for free I'd rather go down to the bank and borrow $30,000 and build a Hemi. My happiness is what matters to me, being in debt doesn't bother me. Being unhappy does. I could never be happy racing a Chevy.



iagree


Same here. Sitting out a couple extra season just for this reason. I could have been out 5 years ago if I built a Fox Body Mustang with a BBC but I chose the most expensive car possible to build, a Hemi E-Body....


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Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: 6PKRTSE] #2436402
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Originally Posted By 6PKRTSE
Originally Posted By Hemi_Joel
Originally Posted By rickseeman
I understand what you are saying but it doesn't matter how cheap a Chevy is to me. If they offered me a 1200 HP Chevy motor for free I'd rather go down to the bank and borrow $30,000 and build a Hemi. My happiness is what matters to me, being in debt doesn't bother me. Being unhappy does. I could never be happy racing a Chevy.



iagree


Same here. Sitting out a couple extra season just for this reason. I could have been out 5 years ago if I built a Fox Body Mustang with a BBC but I chose the most expensive car possible to build, a Hemi E-Body....

I keep being tempted to do a '98-'02 F body GM w/ a BBC, but at the end of the day I can't let go of my cuda. It's being different that I like about it, but it's also what's killing it.


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'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: 6PKRTSE] #2436451
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Originally Posted By 6PKRTSE

Same here. Sitting out a couple extra season just for this reason.


I've been sitting a while as well. One day not long ago I figured out that I don't have a whole lot of "extra seasons" left. So now, it's what can I hit the ground running with in weeks or months, not years. And what is available that there are parts to fix it if it breaks or wears out instead of being a pile of useless junk. I can buy a nice, complete engine from someone, but if I can't easily get parts to fix it, it becomes junk when it breaks. I've just about finalized my solution. Just some details to work out.


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Re: Keith Black Blocks available from Ray Barton Racing Engines [Re: RBRE] #2436511
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I have had Mopars all my life but I do own a dragster with a Chevy in it
Now it is a nostalgia car Hilborn injected front engine car but...I have to say...It has been fun ---I am running small amount of Nitro---it has made it fun again--running 8 sec quarters with an engine that I would take the first $4500 offer I could get so I could build a faster one is fun!

To me the draw with Mopars was you could get a Duster for $800 , add a junk yard 440 with a cam and intake--buy a converter, some SS springs and away you went--FAST and FUN Cheap! Then time passed and we were all looking for a 71 Cuda all of a sudden--then Barrett Jackson and soon after it was a bankers / investors game and unless you had a yard full of them to sell --it sort of took the fun away--I mean being asked $800 for a Shark tooth grill rubs me the wrong way
Now....I am older--have some cash--can buy whatever I want and what!!??? NO blocks?? dang it!! No fun again

I feel sorry for REAL Mopar racers that can't get the blocks and parts they need to carry the banner---It is a pity but ...a game I have grown tired of -- I would Love to have a Hemi in my dragster but it is not worth it to me at the prices to build one--

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