Re: electric fuel pump set up
[Re: mopar muscle7271]
#2434824
01/15/18 03:08 AM
01/15/18 03:08 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 9,826 las vegas
70AARcuda
master
|
master
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 9,826
las vegas
|
electric fuel pumps are pusher and not suckers....put it near the gas tank
Tony
70 AARCuda Vitamin C 71 Dart Swinger 360 10.318 @ 128.22(10-04-14 Bakersfield) 71 Demon 360 10.666 @122.41 (01-29-17 @ Las Vegas) 71 Duster 408 (10.29 @ 127.86 3/16/19 Las Vegas)
|
|
|
Re: electric fuel pump set up
[Re: mopar muscle7271]
#2434851
01/15/18 04:55 AM
01/15/18 04:55 AM
|
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 43,112 Bend,OR USA
Cab_Burge
I Win
|
I Win
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 43,112
Bend,OR USA
|
Mount it in between the right rear corner of the gas tank and the inner sub frame I I installed my Magnafuel Pro star 275 pump there on my 1971 duster, plenty of room there You will need to reroute the pick up feed line to the pump and extend the line to the front, easy peasy AKA aside, it is worth mounting it back there and redoing those lines, maybe go with a 3/8 pick up and 3/8 lines to the pump and carb at the same time Good luck, let us know what you do
Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)
|
|
|
Re: electric fuel pump set up
[Re: mopar muscle7271]
#2434865
01/15/18 05:48 AM
01/15/18 05:48 AM
|
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 9,550 Sacramento CA
Morty426
master
|
master
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 9,550
Sacramento CA
|
Well mr.gaskets #95p doesnt require a regulutor.there no room near the fuel tank.only room at the bottom of inner fender.unless send me pics of setup.has anyone mounted in the inner fender with no problems.if mounted where the tank is how are you suppose to wire it to the oil pressure switch if mounted clear by tank? There should be room near the rear of the gas tank. It depends on how big your exhaust is. Why do you want to wire it to the oil switch?
|
|
|
Re: electric fuel pump set up
[Re: mopar muscle7271]
#2434907
01/15/18 11:27 AM
01/15/18 11:27 AM
|
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 9,550 Sacramento CA
Morty426
master
|
master
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 9,550
Sacramento CA
|
According to the instructions it said wire to the oil pump switch. Forget that. You should be paying attention faster than an idiot switch. Install a manual switch for if something else goes wrong.
|
|
|
Re: electric fuel pump set up
[Re: mopar muscle7271]
#2434911
01/15/18 11:35 AM
01/15/18 11:35 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 10,126 A Red State
SNK-EYZ
I Live Here
|
I Live Here
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 10,126
A Red State
|
You're working the pump harder and it will wear out sooner. It will probably have a harder time delivering the fuel volume too. Mount it in the back by the fuel tank like you're supposed to. Just because someone else did it wrong doesn't make it okay for you to do it wrong.
Kayse can't keep up at all now. lol
|
|
|
Re: electric fuel pump set up
[Re: Morty426]
#2434918
01/15/18 11:52 AM
01/15/18 11:52 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 2,360 PA
70HemiGTX
top fuel
|
top fuel
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 2,360
PA
|
According to the instructions it said wire to the oil pump switch. Forget that. You should be paying attention faster than an idiot switch. Install a manual switch for if something else goes wrong. So you are in an accident and you are knocked out. Now when are you going to hunt for the manual off switch? Mean while the fuel pumps are running full bore. Get a good oil pressure activated switch and wire it in the circuit. Good insurance in more ways than one! I have my pumps wired to switches that have a momentary side, center off, on. I have the momentary side hooked up to by-pass the oil switch so that I can fill the carbs before I try to start the car. After I have the bowls filled I switch them to the on position and let the oil switch take care of it from there. Very simple. Also use a relay to the pump. Especially if you have the battery located in the trunk. Oh by the way I also wired my MSD hot wire to the oil switch. Oil pressure dies and it kills my ignition.
|
|
|
Re: electric fuel pump set up
[Re: mopar muscle7271]
#2435348
01/16/18 12:50 AM
01/16/18 12:50 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md
383man
Too Many Posts
|
Too Many Posts
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 27,421
Balt. Md
|
I ran the Holley red pump for many years that needs no regulator as its preset to about 6 to 7 psi. I also found it was hard to actually mount it lower then the stock tank pick-up. So I mounted it right in front of the gas tank close to the sending unit outlet. I also always put a small amount of eng oil in any new Holley pump when I used them so it would not spin dry at all. I have ran the red pump like that for 21 years in my sons Dart and ran one in my 63 for 6 years until I went to the black pump. The pump primed with no problem and has never given me any problem at all. I would not say my pump is lower then my tank pick-up but its real close to the sending unit outlet that's in the front of my stock tanks and has worked fine all these years set up like that. I can say my pump sits even with the stock tanks sending unit outlet fuel tube. Its really tuff to try and find a good place to mount a fuel pump lower then the stock tank pickup since the sending unit pick up should be on the bottom of the tank. So I mounted mine where it is and it has always worked fine. I have never run a fuel cell on my cars as I have always had stock gas tanks and I always have run Holley electric fuel pumps because they have worked great for me. I also agree that wireing you electric pump through the oil pressure switch is a good idea. Ron
Last edited by 383man; 01/16/18 12:53 AM.
|
|
|
Re: electric fuel pump set up
[Re: 70HemiGTX]
#2435465
01/16/18 05:17 AM
01/16/18 05:17 AM
|
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 202 CA
62SAVOY
enthusiast
|
enthusiast
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 202
CA
|
According to the instructions it said wire to the oil pump switch. Forget that. You should be paying attention faster than an idiot switch. Install a manual switch for if something else goes wrong. Oh by the way I also wired my MSD hot wire to the oil switch. Oil pressure dies and it kills my ignition. Same way I did my setup to kill the MSD. Used oil pressure switch to a relay that is also to a light on my dash. If you are racing and do not have you face looking at the gauges or see the red light? Death will result. I have mine setup to turn light on and kill engine. Boss told me about killing pump is not really a good idea with carbs. I have 2 two 750 double pumpers on my engine and I can guarantee you that thing will run for awhile if you just killed pump only. I also have rocker switches for my pumps to kill them. BUT things do happen when racing or running hard and you may not see it until major issues happens to be able to flip them off.
|
|
|
Re: electric fuel pump set up
[Re: mopar muscle7271]
#2435711
01/16/18 03:57 PM
01/16/18 03:57 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 16,376
dogdays
I Live Here
|
I Live Here
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 16,376
|
Do it right or don't do it at all. The Mr. Gasket instructions are quite specific. http://documents.holley.com/mr_gasket_electric_fuel_pumps_instructions_95p_105p_130p_2015.pdfIt's a GRAVITY FEED pump meaning it isn't designed to suck fuel. Mount it back near the fuel tank. Closer the better. Mount it so the inlet is lower than bottom of the tank if possible. It is a vane type pump and the vanes will wear or break if they get crap in them from the fuel tank. You need the filter between tank and pump. Normally I would never do this but on a vane type pump it will help keep the vanes intact. They say wire through a relay which means to me that it will draw a bunch of current. I'd leave the oil pressure switch out. To the uninformed, there are aftermarket oil pressure switches set at 15psi or thereabouts which DO turn off the pump before a regular oil light would come on. I would put an on/off switch somewhere so you can turn the pump off as a primitive antitheft device. The literature says 7psi output which is too high for Carter, Edelbrock and Quadrajet carbs. It's on the edge for a Holley. I'd use a regulator without a return line to knock down the pressure. R.
|
|
|
Re: electric fuel pump set up
[Re: mopar muscle7271]
#2436114
01/17/18 02:16 AM
01/17/18 02:16 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md
383man
Too Many Posts
|
Too Many Posts
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 27,421
Balt. Md
|
Could you send me a pic of how you have it mounted in front of the tank?you have the other fuel fliter right next to it? I don't have any pics of it as I will have to go out in the garage and jack my car up to get under and take a pic. If its not to cold tomorrow I will go out and crank up the heat and see if I can get a pic for you. And yes I have a filter mounted right there also as I use my filter there before the pump and a stock metal filter in the line up by the carb which I think I have a pic of that one by the carb. You can see the fuel filter I use up front on the pass fenderwell right before the fuel press regulator. Ron
Last edited by 383man; 01/17/18 02:25 AM.
|
|
|
Re: electric fuel pump set up
[Re: mopar muscle7271]
#2436122
01/17/18 02:40 AM
01/17/18 02:40 AM
|
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 4,319 Puyallup, WA
StealthWedge67
master
|
master
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 4,319
Puyallup, WA
|
Mine is in mounted on the forward wall of the axle tunnel, with a canister filter in front of it. Any older car has plenty of room there. Mine is slightly above the pickup, but I have not had issue. I also run a bypass line with a one way check valve around it, as I also have a mechanical pump and only use the electric for priming or at the track. The mechanical pulls around it when it’s not on. It should also be wired with a relay. I fabricated a bracket and mounted the pump and filter to it and pre-wired it. Then just had to mount the bracket. It made the process much easier and I then knew without a doubt that the plumbing was tight and well fit. The relay is mounted on the arm of the bracket you can’t see here. I drew power from the switched side of the battery cutoff, I see the OP has asked about mounting it in the engine bay on the inner fender.... don’t do that. Just because you’ve seen someone else do it doesn’t mean you should copy their mistake. The pump will wear out fast because it’s not designed to pull and you’re exposing it to the heat of the engine compartment.
Last edited by StealthWedge67; 01/17/18 04:10 AM.
LemonWedge - Street heavy / Strip ready - 11.07 @ 120
|
|
|
Re: electric fuel pump set up
[Re: mopar muscle7271]
#2436202
01/17/18 11:02 AM
01/17/18 11:02 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 10,126 A Red State
SNK-EYZ
I Live Here
|
I Live Here
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 10,126
A Red State
|
I never would never wire the on/off switch like that.it should be wired underneath the dash. Not sure who your replying to... If it was this reply, maybe you should read what he said. 70HemiGTX I have mine mounted on the inside of the rear frame rails along side the fuel cell. I have filters mounted to the rear frame crossmember between the cell and pumps. As you can see the pumps are lower than the cell, so I have gravity feed. I have the relays inside the trunk and run the main feed off the battery cut-off switch. I have the switches in the dash and plummed through the oil pressure cut-out switch (Holley if I remember correctly). It only takes about a 3 amp fuse for at the switches. Wire it as safely as you possibly can! If you're referring to the switch in the pic it's a battery disconnect which is required at the track if you have a trunk mounted battery. From your replies, You just might be better off paying someone who actually knows what they're doing to work on your car.
Kayse can't keep up at all now. lol
|
|
|
Re: electric fuel pump set up
[Re: mopar muscle7271]
#2436726
01/18/18 05:27 AM
01/18/18 05:27 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 10,126 A Red State
SNK-EYZ
I Live Here
|
I Live Here
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 10,126
A Red State
|
Ok i know people who still have that switch by there dash frame to. Then you know people who don't know how to properly wire things on a car. Copying them would be a very bad idea, unless you want to show us how Darwinism really works.
Kayse can't keep up at all now. lol
|
|
|
Re: electric fuel pump set up
[Re: mopar muscle7271]
#2442290
01/28/18 04:17 PM
01/28/18 04:17 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 10,552 Rittman Ohio
fourgearsavoy
I Live Here
|
I Live Here
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 10,552
Rittman Ohio
|
Just mount it near the fuel tank like everyone said already All cars and exhaust systems are different so you will have to figure the best place for your application. I mounted mine on the right rear frame rail but if you have a full exhaust that might not work for you. Gus
64 Plymouth Savoy 493 Indy EZ's by Nick at Compu-Flow 5-Speed Richmond faceplate Liberty box Dana 60
|
|
|
Re: electric fuel pump set up
[Re: mopar muscle7271]
#2442366
01/28/18 06:44 PM
01/28/18 06:44 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 10,552 Rittman Ohio
fourgearsavoy
I Live Here
|
I Live Here
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 10,552
Rittman Ohio
|
Did you Google images of this project? There are hundreds of pictures showing how to mount them.
64 Plymouth Savoy 493 Indy EZ's by Nick at Compu-Flow 5-Speed Richmond faceplate Liberty box Dana 60
|
|
|
Re: electric fuel pump set up
[Re: mopar muscle7271]
#2442430
01/28/18 08:44 PM
01/28/18 08:44 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 8,233 fredericksburg,va
cudaman1969
master
|
master
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 8,233
fredericksburg,va
|
All wire-cables should be as short as possible when carring a lot of amps, wire that pump to a regular starter relay, mounted in the trunk, then just run a ground wire to the dash switch, no amps, no power loss. I put my pump-pumps-filter behind the fuel cell or tank on RACE cars, If just going to shows, a regular engine fuel pump will be enough, why a noisy electric?
|
|
|
Re: electric fuel pump set up
[Re: mopar muscle7271]
#2442558
01/29/18 12:05 AM
01/29/18 12:05 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 8,233 fredericksburg,va
cudaman1969
master
|
master
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 8,233
fredericksburg,va
|
I need a electric pump givin it gas at all times.i tried a regular pump,couldn't get no gas anymore goin to carb.the Pump was new as well. i had to put a air compressor hose down the tank with compressor on to give it gas at all times.l like the sound of a electric pump. Im running a 850 demon mighty carb to.they need alot of gas,so it doesn't starve for fuel. Not being rude but you got big problems somewhere, the NASCAR guys used a mechanical pump and ran 200 mph on 800 hp engines, never had a problem keeping their carb full.
|
|
|
Re: electric fuel pump set up
[Re: mopar muscle7271]
#2442643
01/29/18 01:42 AM
01/29/18 01:42 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 10,534 Freeport IL USA
poorboy
I Live Here
|
I Live Here
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 10,534
Freeport IL USA
|
Bolt a plate big enough to hold the fuel pump to the frame rail in a safe location between the rear axle and the tank. You can power the fuel pump through an ignition hot power source, but it won't run the pump until the ignition switch is in the rum position. That is the way I run mine. Powered this way, the pump will run whenever the key is in the run position. If you wreck the car, turn off the ignition switch. If you set the power source up with a relay and ground the relay through the oil pressure switch, the pump won't run until the motor has oil pressure, and it won't run if you loose oil pressure, a pretty good safety feature.
Mount the pump so it is below the fuel line coming out of the tank, then have the electric fuel pump mount mounted so that then inlet (coming from the tank) on the pump is slightly below the level of the outlet. What this will do is assure the inlet is covered with fuel as soon as it is turned on. If there is fuel the pump can pick up, having fuel at the inlet upon powering the pump will allow the pump to pull the fuel into the pump. A pump without defects will last a long time. Gene
|
|
|
Re: electric fuel pump set up
[Re: mopar muscle7271]
#2442808
01/29/18 12:06 PM
01/29/18 12:06 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 10,126 A Red State
SNK-EYZ
I Live Here
|
I Live Here
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 10,126
A Red State
|
I don't need all three your full of crap.it was working good the pump then stop working.i clean the tank out and sealed it.some of you over act. Maybe you don't actually have a clue of what you're doing. If you have to pressurize the tank to get fuel up to the front there's a problem. You say you've cleaned and coated the tank. Well then either the sending unit(tank pick up) or the fuel line has a restriction in them. Putting on am electric pump won't fix that. You ask people what they think, then argue with their replies on how to fix your car.
Kayse can't keep up at all now. lol
|
|
|
Re: electric fuel pump set up
[Re: mopar muscle7271]
#2442925
01/29/18 04:16 PM
01/29/18 04:16 PM
|
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 3,698 NE Oklahoma
Von
master
|
master
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 3,698
NE Oklahoma
|
Looks one of the facebook mopar "experts" found his way to Moparts..
Prob one of the same guys trying to clown the 600HP FAST motor for sale on one of the fb forums....
Last edited by Von; 01/29/18 10:22 PM.
|
|
|
Re: electric fuel pump set up
[Re: mopar muscle7271]
#2442999
01/29/18 06:51 PM
01/29/18 06:51 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 10,126 A Red State
SNK-EYZ
I Live Here
|
I Live Here
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 10,126
A Red State
|
No i have a clue,there replies are full of bs,just like yours to. With every reply that you make you prove a little more to everyone on here that you have no idea what you're doing working on a car. If you actually want to fix the problem, listen to what the people on here recommend that you do. Just because you have a new sending unit doesn't mean that there isn't a problem (restriction) with it. From your description there's a restriction keeping the fuel from getting to the engine.
Kayse can't keep up at all now. lol
|
|
|
Re: electric fuel pump set up
[Re: mopar muscle7271]
#2443258
01/30/18 04:19 AM
01/30/18 04:19 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 10,126 A Red State
SNK-EYZ
I Live Here
|
I Live Here
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 10,126
A Red State
|
You give it a rest,to the ones who said where to mount the pump and how thanks.the others are useless bs trolls with worthless advice who like to agrue. So says the troll. You've been told where to mount the pump, just in front of the fuel tank in the area near the rear axle. StealthWedge67 even posted a pic of his set up. You kept going on about wanting to mount it in the engine compartment, even after people told you not to mount it there. You bash people who said you could run a mechanical pump. No one said stock pump they said mechanical pump, there is a difference. I ran a carter mechanical fuel pump on the 572 Hemi with two 750 carbs on it in my last car and didn't have fuel supply issues. Original tank, new sending unit and new 3/8ths fuel line. You said I need a electric pump givin it gas at all times.i tried a regular pump,couldn't get no gas anymore goin to carb.the Pump was new as well. i had to put a air compressor hose down the tank with compressor on to give it gas at all times.l like the sound of a electric pump. Im running a 850 demon mighty carb to.they need alot of gas,so it doesn't starve for fuel. If you have to pressurize the tank to get fuel to flow out of it there's a problem that an electric pump isn't going to cure. If you don't understand it by now, I can't draw a picture on here with crayons so that you can understand it any better. Take your car to someone who's an adult and qualified to work on your car, obviously you're not.
Kayse can't keep up at all now. lol
|
|
|
Re: electric fuel pump set up
[Re: mopar muscle7271]
#2443591
01/30/18 07:00 PM
01/30/18 07:00 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 8,233 fredericksburg,va
cudaman1969
master
|
master
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 8,233
fredericksburg,va
|
Nobody and I mean nobody of this Mopar site wants to see you or your car fail. We want it to be top notch to show off that Mopar, everything that's been said to help your car is true so please believe us when we ask questions or make suggestions. There are many many years of experience and knowledge on here, let us help.
Last edited by cudaman1969; 01/30/18 07:01 PM.
|
|
|
Re: electric fuel pump set up
[Re: mopar muscle7271]
#2443630
01/30/18 08:10 PM
01/30/18 08:10 PM
|
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 3,698 NE Oklahoma
Von
master
|
master
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 3,698
NE Oklahoma
|
Im not bashing anyone who does,i see a mechanical pump is another name for the high volume fuel pump. 🤔. Huh??
72 RR, Pump gas 440, 452s, 3800 lbs, Corked, ET Radials,. 11.33@117.72.
Same car, bone stock 346s, 9.5 comp, baby solid. 12.24@110.
|
|
|
|
|