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#2427270 - 01/01/18 02:56 PM Re: The do’s and don’ts when building a pole building ? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
SSAHfan Offline
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A lot of very good info in this thread.

Scott, what brand is the 4 post lift in your pic?

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#2427300 - 01/01/18 03:39 PM Re: The do’s and don’ts when building a pole building ? [Re: plumcrazycuda]
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The OP wants a 50x80x16, too big for an open floor stick built building, either a steel building or pole barn are the options. Tim
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#2427343 - 01/01/18 04:36 PM Re: The do’s and don’ts when building a pole building ? [Re: astjp2]
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Originally Posted By astjp2
The OP wants a 50x80x16, too big for an open floor stick built building, either a steel building or pole barn are the options. Tim


Why? I did a 40x80x16 stick built. Why the limits?
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#2427420 - 01/01/18 06:57 PM Re: The do’s and don’ts when building a pole building ? [Re: plumcrazycuda]
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#2427435 - 01/01/18 07:30 PM Re: The do’s and don’ts when building a pole building ? [Re: astjp2]
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Mine is steel with a 50 foot span and the beams hold up the 1 ton bridge crane. You probably can't do that with wood unless you used a huge glue lam beam. I really like the bridge crane since I don't need to wheel a engine hoist around the shop. It added some cost to the building but not a lot since it was designed in at the start.

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#2427541 - 01/01/18 10:31 PM Re: The do’s and don’ts when building a pole building ? [Re: AndyF]
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As said above if you can afford it go steel truss. Unlike diamonds they are forever.

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#2427602 - 01/02/18 01:25 AM Re: The do’s and don’ts when building a pole building ? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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here unless its hooked a municipal sewer you cant have a floor drain

quote=ScottSmith_Harms]*Build as large as you possibly can, never too big, always too small
*Build a floor drain into the concrete
*Radiant heat floors are ABSOLUTELY worth the cost in a cold climate
*Highest and widest doors allowable (14' minimum will allow pretty much any motor home, etc.)
*Commercial trusses for safer second story storage weight and snow load capacity
*Commercial style walls (6-8" wide horizontal gerts) for deeper roll in insulation
*The most insulation you can afford on walls and cielings

That's the big stuff, when you get into finish work there's a whole other list
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#2427628 - 01/02/18 07:23 AM Re: The do’s and don’ts when building a pole building ? [Re: plumcrazycuda]
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1. If you ever plan on a lift, make sure you make the ceiling high enough.
2. If you plan on heating or cooling at all, spend the money and have the building spray foamed. It cost about twice as much as batt insulation, but WELL worth the money. My father in law has a 60x100 with 18' ceiling. 1st year it didn't have the heat installed yet and we had a week straight of below freezing temps. We had a water bottle sitting right next to the door and it never froze.

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#2427651 - 01/02/18 08:44 AM Re: The do’s and don’ts when building a pole building ? [Re: plumcrazycuda]
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Floor drains are allowed here no matter what your sewer hood up is. That said I hooked my shop bathroom sewer to my house sewer via a Y connection (yes, you need to add a bathroom to my list!). It's legal to do that here and I did pull a permit to avoid any future flak.

If you do the radiant heat floor be sure to plan out and mark your lift leg areas out VERY well. I referenced the areas with marks on 2 walls so I could find them once the concrete was poured (double/tripple check your measurements!). You don't want to guess when drilling floor anchors. I went crazy and designed 2 foot deep 4'x 4' areas of solid reinforced concrete for mine.

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#2427686 - 01/02/18 09:49 AM Re: The do’s and don’ts when building a pole building ? [Re: plumcrazycuda]
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If you want a rally good builder at a good price call Franklin Builders 717-369-4833. They had my 40x118 building up in 2 weeks and did an excellent job. They don't take shortcuts and include all the little details that others leave out. My brother (EdB@Carlisle) had them build his big garage too.

I made mine with a clean/paint bay, work bay and a large cars/parts storage area. Insulate the garage well. I have a split system heat pump for the two bays. I used double doors between the bays and the storage area so it's easy to move large parts, engines, engine lift, etc. around. I have 12' ceilings. 14' required a special permit or something and I didn't need the extra 2'. I have a hydrant outside. I made the concrete thicker where I will put a lift. I installed a bunch of Champ floor pots so I can pull frames.

Chuck


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#2427692 - 01/02/18 10:00 AM Re: The do’s and don’ts when building a pole building ? [Re: plumcrazycuda]
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Wider doors. I built mine with one standard 9' wide door. I figured here in MB winters can be agonizingly cold so less heat loss through a single, smaller door would be better. And since I don't use the building for parking daily drivers I could deal with the single door. However I am finding that backing a 8' wide trailer through a 9' wide door isn't a whole lot of fun.

Height. I initially built mine with only 8' ceilings because my last shop was 8' and it was fine for me and the lower height would help keep the heating cost under control. I decided after the fact that I might want to put in a lift some day. I used roof trusses that sit 8' on center so a car can be lifted between the trusses but a higher ceiling out have been better. If I ever buy a camper I won't be able to bring it inside to work on.

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#2427866 - 01/02/18 03:05 PM Re: The do’s and don’ts when building a pole building ? [Re: plumcrazycuda]
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My pole barn is 35-40 years old but was on a property I bought so I had nothing do to with building it. It's 40X80 and has large over hangs so I have not had much of a problem with sliding doors in winter but the areas do obviously need to be kept clear. There are a couple posts rotting at the ground that need to be replaced. I wanted to do that last year but didn't get around to it so that's a project for this year.
I had problem with snow and rain blowing into the ridge vent, the old seal was either gone or never done right to begin with so I had to fix that and replaced the nails with gasketed screws while I was up there. At the same time a large number of nails on the rest of the roof had pulled up a bit. I'm going to start replacing those with screws also.
It has been a bit of a learning curve with that building. When I put up another building I'd have to price different building types out and see what to go with, ultimately I do prefer something that has at least a proper foundation wall to avoid some of the issues that pole barns get over time.

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#2427928 - 01/02/18 04:36 PM Re: The do’s and don’ts when building a pole building ? [Re: plumcrazycuda]
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I have an insulated Engineered Steel building, steel trusses etc similar to the size you are considering. I have had great luck with it, as stated above the key is insulation, I have the factory option for insulation and it does a nice job, but I adding more before finishing the inside for good measure.

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#2428318 - 01/03/18 12:14 PM Re: The do’s and don’ts when building a pole building ? [Re: 65pacecar]
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Also being in PA I didn't want my poles in the ground where they could rot so I went with PermaColumns which are pre-cast concrete columns that go in the ground and have a metal saddle on the top and the wooden posts bolt to the saddle. I'm so glad I pushed my builder to use them.

FYI, I'm Mopar Chuck's brother and I also used Franklin Builders out of Chambersburg. VERY happy with them and their work!

Ed



Edited by cudaboy340 (01/03/18 12:14 PM)

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#2428366 - 01/03/18 01:39 PM Re: The do’s and don’ts when building a pole building ? [Re: SSAHfan]
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DO NOT PUT THINGS IN IT UNTIL YOU HAVE THE INSIDE BUILT. Dad built his 40x60 building back in 1997. Things went in there right away as he moved onto the property after grandpa passed away. He went from a 4 stall garage with cars stored else where too. Once things went in there the inside has never been finished off and it is just cold storage now. He also has others tell him build it bigger. He response was if I run out of room then I don't need it. Well he bought a roll off 2 stall deep pre built garage to house 2 cars and he still has a truck sitting outside plus his trailers.

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#2428369 - 01/03/18 01:44 PM Re: The do’s and don’ts when building a pole building ? [Re: plumcrazycuda]
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One thing about wooden posts, they only rot in an area that is about 6" below grade to 6" above grade, that is where the bacteria thrives that causes rot. so if the posts are protected in that area, little chance of rot. Tim
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#2428400 - 01/03/18 03:05 PM Re: The do’s and don’ts when building a pole building ? [Re: astjp2]
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So what do you use to cover the poles? The one and only pole framed building I dealt with had nothing specific called for to protect the posts. I just thought "this isn't going to last" the whole time I worked on it.

Plastic sleeves maybe?

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#2428404 - 01/03/18 03:10 PM Re: The do’s and don’ts when building a pole building ? [Re: astjp2]
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Originally Posted By astjp2
One thing about wooden posts, they only rot in an area that is about 6" below grade to 6" above grade, that is where the bacteria thrives that causes rot. so if the posts are protected in that area, little chance of rot. Tim

The very reason the builders installed the heavy plastic sleeves on my post, they're sealed at the bottom and extend out of ground about a foot. Today's pressure treat lumber is no way near what it was just ten years ago. The stuff that made them work was removed with the new regulations. It's too dangerous, well duh, that's what killed the buggs.

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#2428453 - 01/03/18 05:19 PM Re: The do’s and don’ts when building a pole building ? [Re: Neil]
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Originally Posted By Neil
So what do you use to cover the poles? The one and only pole framed building I dealt with had nothing specific called for to protect the posts. I just thought "this isn't going to last" the whole time I worked on it.

Plastic sleeves maybe?


Mine doesn't have anything either. I've been around some old pole buildings and really if it lasts longer than I do or long enough for me to sell the property I don't really care. If memory serves, pole barns are said to have a lifespan of around 50 years.

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#2428484 - 01/03/18 06:17 PM Re: The do’s and don’ts when building a pole building ? [Re: DaytonaTurbo]
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I used white corrugated metal on the ceiling and walls. Love my tube heater, cheap, quiet, and comfortable.

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