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#2428176 - 01/03/18 04:09 AM Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger?
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Maybe I'm missing it but is there a higher performance V6 Pentastar engine like with a supercharger or dual turbo's or even a small block V8 like the 340 cubic inch (Hemi or not) that should be or could be in the current Challenger T/A? IMO the back in the day 340 small block was the best bang for the buck engine ever built. Best driving engine and car going especially in the Cuda, Challenger, Dart and Duster and just about anything else it was put in. Doesn't the Mustang have a high performance V6 supercharged engine. What's the reason for no Dodge high performance V6 or "small block"? Something with a 340 HP V6 to start with would be a great marketing angle. wink I want to help my young son get a performance Challenger but not wanting him to get a Hemi just yet and current V6 doesn't speak muscle car IMO. Why not an engine in the HP small block vein like back in the day?

Mike

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#2428177 - 01/03/18 04:43 AM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: A12]
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Im sure its simply just not profitable for them, many not wanting the current higher hp offering from the challengers or even chargers just need to look for a good 8-10 year old lesser powered car.

Past this small site here the penny think tankers kick around all they can.

One other thought, there are many other makers that make powerful V6 cars so it would half to be something really special and probably costly.

Maybe thats a idea before he steps up to a real car.


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#2428180 - 01/03/18 05:11 AM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: EV2Bird]
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they already have the bases covered, 2018 line-up is something like:

3.6L V6 305hp
+22%
5.7L HEMI 372hp
+30%
6.4L HEMI 485hp
+46%
6.2L HEMI 707hp
+18%
DEMON 835hp

an additional offering @ ~340hp isn't going to pay off in increased popularity twocents
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#2428185 - 01/03/18 05:57 AM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: 6bblgt]
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Dan I was basing my thoughts/question on the 285 HP PStar V6 engine which doesn't scream high performance like it should in a pony car.....shoot you can get that 285 HP engine in any Chrysler/Dodge MINI-VAN. Now it's a whopping 305 HP and still a MINI-VAN engine. The Challenger should have at least one higher performance V6 engine option. The V6 is lighter and could or should rev a little higher. My wife's SUV has a 302 HP V6 and probably will run pretty much even with that Mopar V6....just saying. Dodge has for the past decade tried to position itself as the PERFORMANCE brand for FCA and that lower or not higher performance MINI-VAN V6 in a Challenger just doesn't fit the brand position and image FCA is trying for. I bet FCA has a nice Alfa V6 that would work (kick butt) but I would rather see a Pentastar engine with a supercharger or two turbo's in a T/A Challenger with 340 HP or 360 HP.

Does the word HEMI demand a higher insurance cost for a young driver along with less MPG over a V6 as in "back in the day"?

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#2428187 - 01/03/18 06:10 AM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: A12]
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If the base 5.7 has 372 HP, and the base V6 has 305 hp, can you imagine the screaming and wailing and griping if they came out with a supercharged or twin turbo V6 that made only 340-360 HP? 340 = not enough over the base v6. 360 = might as well get a Hemi. I can't imagine there would be much demand for it, and I can't imagine that they'd want to put out a power adder-equipped V6 that makes more HP than the Hemi does, for brand image/marketing reasons if nothing else.

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Doesn't the Mustang have a high performance V6 supercharged engine.


Mustang has the twin-turbo 4 cylinder EcoBoost. Lebanon Ford sells a 550 hp version of it. boogie
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#2428189 - 01/03/18 06:51 AM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: not_a_charger]
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Originally Posted By not_a_charger
If the base 5.7 has 372 HP, and the base V6 has 305 hp, can you imagine the screaming and wailing and griping if they came out with a supercharged or twin turbo V6 that made only 340-360 HP? 340 = not enough over the base v6. 360 = might as well get a Hemi. I can't imagine there would be much demand for it, and I can't imagine that they'd want to put out a power adder-equipped V6 that makes more HP than the Hemi does, for brand image/marketing reasons if nothing else.

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Doesn't the Mustang have a high performance V6 supercharged engine.


Mustang has the twin-turbo 4 cylinder EcoBoost. Lebanon Ford sells a 550 hp version of it. boogie


What about a young driver and a HEMI engine for insurance, does it matter? As far as a slight difference in HP rating between one model or another model that difference has been done many times it was just to make the performance model a little different from the other models in that line. A 383 Road Runner with 5 HP more than a Sport Satellite still made a difference to the owner and the same goes for having one more turbo in your Mustang 4-cylinder versus the single turbo in Edge. If the AWD Challenger GT came with a higher performance V6 it would be a deal maker for me and I'd bet for a lot of other Northern buyers. Won't buy it with a base V6 and it will probably never see it with a Hemi. The Pentastar V6 engine is a base V6 for every application from Ram pickup to a Chrysler Town and Country and nothing special in a Challenger......Mustang/Ford has it figured out if a performance engine is specific to that model or any other performance model. I'm sure there are many engines that are available for other brands that have performance tweaks to base engines for performance models that only add a few horsepower to make them "HP" models just like "HP" stamped on the EAD pad on a Road Runner. Just takes a little like camshafts, titanium valves, engine management, injectors, throttle body, exhaust.......or we can just go on and say, yeah that the same V6 as in the MINI-VAN to the Mustang guys thumbs

Was just a question but if "bold new graphics and stripes" are what the performance guys are looking for because they can't afford the $10k to $20k step up to a Hemi then so be it. Funny that's the same reason there are fewer old back in the day Hemi cars than 340 or 383 around because few could afford the OMG $814 Hemi engine option. All it took were 3X2 carbs, a special cam and a few tuning parts and the 340 T/A-TAA's and 440 A12's sold enough to add to the Mopar performance image package.

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#2428196 - 01/03/18 07:31 AM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: A12]
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I think your gonna have to accept its 2018, not 1978.

Things change and it is what it is, I recently seen the stats on young drivers and accidents/death and its very concerning.

Whats wrong with a younger driver starting out in a non performance vehicle thats safe for everyone?

Didnt most of us have to earn our way to the better/faster cars?

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#2428206 - 01/03/18 08:16 AM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: A12]
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The real question is why does the current Dodge Challenger T/A have a Plymouth hood on it?
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#2428211 - 01/03/18 08:31 AM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: grancuda]
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Incidentally, Ford has dropped the V6 from the Mustang lineup for 2018, leaving only the following power options:

2.3 Ecoboost 310 HP

5.0 GT 460 HP

5.2 Shelby 526 HP

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#2428233 - 01/03/18 09:22 AM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: A12]
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Originally Posted By A12
I want to help my young son get a performance Challenger but not wanting him to get a Hemi just yet and current V6 doesn't speak muscle car IMO. Why not an engine in the HP small block vein like back in the day?

Mike


The current V6 gives excellent account of itself vs the old 340 Challenger.

From Motor Trend Our tester went from 0-60 mph in 6 seconds flat, an improvement over the 2011 Challenger Rallye’s 6.4-second run. In the quarter-mile, the Challenger whizzed through in 14.5 seconds with a trap speed of 96.9 mph

Not quite as good as the older V6 6 speed Mustang @ 13.7 101 MPH but not bad for a heavy weight either.

With the exception of not having Hemi badges I think the base V6 is pretty muscular looking? Really not seeing a missed marketing opportunity here.

Robert
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#2428243 - 01/03/18 09:45 AM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: 3hundred]
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Challenger is big and heavy so it needs torque. Easy to get that with a larger & simpler engine.

V6 and 4 cyl engines just don't sound great compared to a V8.

These cars are owner by boomers here so you'd have a hard time selling a non-V8 performance car to that group. They'll buy the biggest engine sold every time as that is what a musclecar is about to most in that group. Guys who don't care about drag racing and want nimble handling and economy will buy a foreign car instead.

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#2428282 - 01/03/18 11:08 AM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: Neil]
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iagree

You really can't make a new Challenger lighter.....you can just make it 'Less Heavy'
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#2428293 - 01/03/18 11:31 AM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: A12]
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There IS a Pentastar twin turbo (of sorts) out there. It's a 3 liter version with Ferrari heads. Unfortunately, you can't get it in the Challenger. It powers these things:


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#2428301 - 01/03/18 11:43 AM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: A12]
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Friend bought a 2016 V6 AWD Charger for his wife and it is a lot of fun to drive. We keep trying to sneak it out to the track on a TnT nite, but she keeps the car on a pretty short leash.
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#2428305 - 01/03/18 11:48 AM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: Neil]
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Originally Posted By Neil
Challenger is big and heavy so it needs torque. Easy to get that with a larger & simpler engine.

V6 and 4 cyl engines just don't sound great compared to a V8.


I respectfully (but VERY strongly) disagree:

Sixes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2OlsCu1tfc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_042hai0TSQ

Four

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3nND-x-X2E&t=140s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLrAgcCNgVc
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#2428353 - 01/03/18 01:02 PM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: A12]
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Those don't sound any where near as good as a V8. Just buzz bombs. Sorry.

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#2428358 - 01/03/18 01:12 PM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: Streetwize]
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Originally Posted By Streetwize
iagree

You really can't make a new Challenger lighter.....you can just make it 'Less Heavy'

That was easy with my 1972 and 1971.
It was an easy conversion, Told my Mother In Law she was needed to get out!
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#2428376 - 01/03/18 02:15 PM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: Orange_Crush]
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Originally Posted By Orange_Crush
Originally Posted By Neil
Challenger is big and heavy so it needs torque. Easy to get that with a larger & simpler engine.

V6 and 4 cyl engines just don't sound great compared to a V8.


I respectfully (but VERY strongly) disagree:

Sixes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2OlsCu1tfc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_042hai0TSQ

Four

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3nND-x-X2E&t=140s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLrAgcCNgVc


I painfully watched those videos and heard nothing but honda accords with the mufflers rusted off and weedeaters
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#2428377 - 01/03/18 02:21 PM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: HotRodDave]
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Large and in charge American muscle cars MUST have the sound only a V8 can produce.

Like so..... smile

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#2428407 - 01/03/18 03:15 PM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: A12]
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They already offer the T/A with the 5.7 and the 392. They aren't all 392's.


Edited by sp392 (01/03/18 03:15 PM)

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#2428411 - 01/03/18 03:20 PM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: A12]
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There is a supercharger made for the JEEP 3.6litre V6, so that should fit any of the other 3.6 V6 vehicles ??? Be fun to have that extra power under the hood of my Journey GT . . .

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#2428420 - 01/03/18 03:40 PM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: A12]
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It's a marketability thing. The V6 already has decent performance and most people who want more will hve no problem going for the Hemi. They could do something in between but it probably won't be a big seller and it's not ver likely to bring in any more sales it's going to eat away from what they already have.

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#2428437 - 01/03/18 04:33 PM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: A12]
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I get the impression that you have not personally driven a Pentastar / 8-speed car? Those things are very impressive, would likely outrun all but a couple of the old small-block muscle cars. If all you are looking for is sound, try a 5.0 maybe?
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#2428492 - 01/03/18 06:21 PM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: Shoozy]
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Nope not looking for sound. Not everyone today is looking for a drag racing theme street car. Just more of a twisty road sporty car like a lot of old school Trans Am racing series style cars. What the heck does T/A stand for anyway?? Same for AAR. What about a car that would be more fun to drive to a road course Track Day, do a bunch of laps that you get to enjoy "handling" and not just in a straight line for 11 or 12 seconds? Did the original T/A come out with the intension of getting the big block drag and street racer........well no it was for Trans Am racing homologation and to sell cars to that segment. Tagging the current Hemi engine Challenger with the T/A moniker is silly IMO. Dodge should have built it closer to a current road racing class spec or to a spec that could become a road racing stock type class.

Here's my road cruising spec T/A Challenger:

Start with an AWD GT, add the wide body integrated wide wheel opening front fenders and rear quarters. Add the biggest Brembo discs at all four wheels. WIDE wheels at all four corners. Lower and improve the suspension to sport spec, lateral stiffeners, big sway bars. '70's style T/A-AAR carbon fiber hood or the Demon hood. Side exhaust ala original T/A. Trunk lid "duck tail" spoiler. Race type front bucket seats with five point seat belt option. Roll bar ready. V6 with supercharger or dual bank turbos or BOTH grin Pankl and Mahle light weight pistons, rods, and larger titanium valves, injectors. Adjustable performance shocks and Eibach springs. Close ratio 6-speed manual transmission. Non-reflective black performance hood treatment. Sporty, fun driver, and road course track day thriller.

Hey it colder than p00p here and boredom has set in early this year. Also I've had enough of the "drag race" theme current and past street cars for now. A lot of people parked there big block straight line cars then and now to "drive" a small block or even 4-cylinder sporty car and had a lot of fun. What the heck are you going to do with a Demon year round up North and few (as in back in the day) can really afford one and add in the limited use as a year round daily driver. An AWD wide body Challenger with a higher performance V6 is sounding pretty nice during this winter boredom to me at least. Back to dreaming.....I still have a bunch of old 4-cylinder pocket rockets with Eibach springs and lateral stiffeners and.......but they are not American or North American made, bummer or Bimmer wink

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#2428518 - 01/03/18 06:52 PM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: A12]
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What about a young driver and a HEMI engine for insurance, does it matter?


Between a Hemi and a twin turbo V6 or supercharged V6? Not very likely that it would matter. Underwriters know that no one is buying a twin turbo or supercharged Challenger (or similar) vehicle for anything other than performance reasons.
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#2428528 - 01/03/18 07:13 PM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: A12]
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Is a 5.7 Hemi (345 cubic inches) a big block or a small block? It seems to me that a 5.7 T/A is a small block? With the aluminum heads and composite intake manifold, I wonder how much it weighs compared to a 340?


Edited by RoadRunnerJD (01/03/18 07:25 PM)

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#2428535 - 01/03/18 07:24 PM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: RoadRunnerJD]
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Originally Posted By RoadRunnerJD
Is a 5.7 Hemi (345 cubic inches) a big block or a small block? It seems to me that a 5.7 T/A is a small block?


I think its just a 3rd gen hemi, but the 5.7L is the closest thing you're going to get to a 340.

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#2428552 - 01/03/18 07:55 PM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: sp392]
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Originally Posted By sp392
Originally Posted By RoadRunnerJD
Is a 5.7 Hemi (345 cubic inches) a big block or a small block? It seems to me that a 5.7 T/A is a small block?


I think its just a 3rd gen hemi, but the 5.7L is the closest thing you're going to get to a 340.


I cant remember for sure but a friend of mine was doing a conversion on a challenger (for a new hemi) and I think the bell housing from a small block bolts up to it
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#2428557 - 01/03/18 08:01 PM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: HotRodDave]
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Originally Posted By HotRodDave
Originally Posted By Orange_Crush
Originally Posted By Neil
Challenger is big and heavy so it needs torque. Easy to get that with a larger & simpler engine.

V6 and 4 cyl engines just don't sound great compared to a V8.


I respectfully (but VERY strongly) disagree:

Sixes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2OlsCu1tfc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_042hai0TSQ

Four

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3nND-x-X2E&t=140s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLrAgcCNgVc


I painfully watched those videos and heard nothing but honda accords with the mufflers rusted off and weedeaters

I have to agree on this one. They really don't sound good.
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#2428559 - 01/03/18 08:03 PM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: A12]
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By the time you put forced induction onto a V6 you would make the same power as a Hemi, making one of them redundant.

No need to add another V8 and all the costs involved to add another engine in the same power output group.

As to the sound - IMO a V8 has a sound all it's own, and if that's what you like, well, nothing that you can do to a V6 will make you happy. Same as the Viper V10 - I've probably fitted about every style of exhaust to them made, and IMO they all sounded horrible.

IMO most exhausts for the modern Hemi cars just make them louder, not necessarily better. I like the loping idle that a "musclecar" camshaft provides, and the Hemi engines cams lack the overlap to get the sound I like. I know why the engines are cammed the way they are and respect the power they make, but IMO they just sound like a mild 70's V8.

IMO it doesn't get any better than a crisp high compression roller cammed small block.
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#2428595 - 01/03/18 08:37 PM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: Orange_Crush]
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Originally Posted By Orange_Crush


I respectfully (but VERY strongly) disagree:



I have had dozens of cars with engines ranging from diminutive 4 cylinders to 500+ CID big blocks.

My first Challenger with a 3.6 was a fine car, but was replaced with a Hemi.

Hands down the Hemi car sounds awesome. The 3.6 sounds like a Masi at high rpm but just didn't have that V8 magic.

The only 4 banger worth a lick that sounds great is a well tuned Turbo Dodge with the right exhaust.

Most other 4 bangers sound like weed-whackers.
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#2428606 - 01/03/18 08:58 PM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: gdonovan]
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Originally Posted By gdonovan
Originally Posted By Orange_Crush


I respectfully (but VERY strongly) disagree:



Most other 4 bangers sound like weed-whackers.



Agree, but my 2.0 liter overhead cam 4-banger with two 40 DCOE Weber side-draft carbs, open air cleaner, Stahl headers (yeah that Jeri Stahl header guy's tube headers), Ansa exhaust, surely doesn't sound like a weed-whacker........funny thing that weed-whacker sound is what I think the V10 Viper motor sometimes sounds like. But that V10 Viper motor kicked a friend of mine's butt at a Hellcat grug match at the end of last Summer. So who cares what a V8 truck motor sounds like, compared to the V10 it sounded slow and defeated. I hate my 440 GTX's sound at anything over lumpidy, lumpidy, idle, my 383 RR for some reason sounded better.

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#2428612 - 01/03/18 09:10 PM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: A12]
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#2428660 - 01/03/18 10:34 PM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: A12]
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So while it is not a "sports car" . . . all around driver for northern climates, etc . . . hands down my 06 Magnum R/T AWD . . . thing I like is that the AWD system is 68% power to rear and 32% to front - all the time !!! Great in winter, and great in summer for hauling around the corners. I have said it often, if I only could have ONE car, the maggy is it !!! . . . no comparison to the V6 version, and the mileage is still very decent . . . . .

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#2428738 - 01/04/18 02:08 AM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: RoadRunnerJD]
A12 Offline
I Live Here

Registered: 01/20/03
Posts: 17631
Loc: N.E. OHIO, USA
Originally Posted By RoadRunnerJD
I think you are in denial!😁


Yes John but don't tell anyone, too much fun, love a good spitting contest. smile smile


Mike

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#2428823 - 01/04/18 09:50 AM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: A12]
cudaman1969 Offline
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Registered: 01/25/04
Posts: 3852
Loc: fredericksburg,va
I think any V6 or 4cylinder with power adders will cost just as much or more than the "Hemis" including insurance. So it's not going to be an in-between type engine. There was a tremendous difference between the 340 and 383-440-426 engines. The new hemi is like the 383-440-426 now in small block form.

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#2428925 - 01/04/18 12:33 PM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: A12]
RoadRunnerJD Offline
master

Registered: 05/25/04
Posts: 4674
Loc: USA
I really like the sound of my 2013 5.7 Charger R/T. With the stock exhaust, you can slightly hear the valve train and the exhaust has a good crisp back pressure sound. No modifications other than a cold air intake. It has run a best of 13.40 @ 103.75 on the original Goodyear Summer tires. That is as fast and really faster than most 426 Hemi’s and 440 cars with street tires back in the day. I know because I had them and ran against them on and off the street. It does sound like a big block at wide open throttle.

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#2428936 - 01/04/18 12:57 PM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: A12]
DaytonaTurbo Offline


Registered: 02/26/03
Posts: 20441
Loc: Manitoba, Canada
All this time and they still haven't put anything besides a lame ass automatic behind the V6.

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#2429012 - 01/04/18 03:28 PM Re: Why not a "small block" current T/A Challenger? [Re: A12]
stumpy Offline


Registered: 01/19/03
Posts: 28821
Loc: Grand Prairie,Texas
A lame automatic that seems to be able whoop butt.

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