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#2426755 - 12/31/17 07:28 PM Re: The do’s and don’ts when building a pole building ? [Re: plumcrazycuda]
grancuda Offline
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Built mine right at a year ago & had a 30x40 built.

It's got concrete floor
10' walls
3 scissor truss on the south side for a future lift
16' door centered on one 40' side
10' door 5' from the corner on the north on the opposite 40' side
40'x 10' concrete pad on the 40' side with the 16' door

Only thing I would change is the 10' door, I would like it to be 16', pulling thru with a boat at any angle is tight thru that 10' door.

I have no insulation & no power. I ran (4) 4' LED shop lights off 1 power cord to a $500 RV style quiet generator. I may be out there 1 day a month working on stuff so I just thing running power out there & putting a meter in & the cost of wiring is just a little much for how much I work out of it.

Here is a video I put together if it going up.

https://youtu.be/1uRi4dbS3YU
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#2426779 - 12/31/17 07:43 PM Re: The do’s and don’ts when building a pole building ? [Re: plumcrazycuda]
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#2426826 - 12/31/17 08:29 PM Re: The do’s and don’ts when building a pole building ? [Re: plumcrazycuda]
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Lots of good points so far. What I am planning is a 50x80x16 with 4 12x14 doors on the long wall . I would love to have it a drive through but the land will not let it. I would have to go much smaller and it still would be tight. So with the door on the side is there anything I can do to make it better? With the heat in the floor do you have to run it all the time? I was thinking I would put the radiant over head heat.
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#2426894 - 12/31/17 10:47 PM Re: The do’s and don’ts when building a pole building ? [Re: plumcrazycuda]
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Use 2x6's laid flat on top of the trusses to attach roofing to. Most buildings are built with 2x4's toenailed upright on the trusses leaving only a precarious 1 5/8" to hit the center of to attach roofing metal. And keep in mind that the 2x4's continue to warp over time. That is the main cause of leaks and the insulation makes them even more difficult to find. I've got one done both ways and the additional expense is small in the total scheme of things IMO. wave twocents
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#2426896 - 12/31/17 11:05 PM Re: The do’s and don’ts when building a pole building ? [Re: plumcrazycuda]
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I would not have the roof perlins laid flat, there is no strength for any snow load at all, and it looks like you are in the PA area = lots of snow. On both of my buildings, 2x8's were used with joist hangers.

Also, have your vehicle door on the gable end. You don't want the snow to slide off in front of the door. Yes, I have seen some who have done this.

Floor systems can use a mix of water and glycol base for freezing areas.

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#2426899 - 12/31/17 11:11 PM Re: The do’s and don’ts when building a pole building ? [Re: plumcrazycuda]
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Lots of great ideas listed I’m still working on the list snide but I can tell you that LED’s are the way to go. The price has come down quite a bit.
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#2426906 - 12/31/17 11:21 PM Re: The do’s and don’ts when building a pole building ? [Re: plumcrazycuda]
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Not a fan of 8' or 9' truss spacing, the 2x4 purlins stood on edge will sag. I've seen it on older Morton buildings.

Menards does the 9' spacing and their trusses have no overhang, you have to build it. Takes a lot of extra labor. The wide truss spacing is also a pita for people to move around in the attic when building.

My parents put this up 2 years ago, I've been slowly finishing off the inside.
36' x 40' with a 10' lean-to.

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#2426907 - 12/31/17 11:22 PM Re: The do’s and don’ts when building a pole building ? [Re: plumcrazycuda]
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Hire it done! They will have to meet all codes and permitting requirements, it pays for them to have the headaches. Also if you are in a fire zone, have they put sheet rock on the roof...2 layers of 5/8 before the outer sheetmetal is put on.
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#2426911 - 12/31/17 11:30 PM Re: The do’s and don’ts when building a pole building ? [Re: plumcrazycuda]
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Registered: 01/20/03
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Loc: Spokane Washington
Mine has a door on a non gable end, and it did indeed pile snow in front of the door, added sno brakes this fall and it fixed the problem.

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#2426916 - 12/31/17 11:40 PM Re: The do’s and don’ts when building a pole building ? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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#2426919 - 12/31/17 11:54 PM Re: The do’s and don’ts when building a pole building ? [Re: plumcrazycuda]
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Use radiant floor heat. Insulate it. Put in a bunch of lights and plenty of outlets. Polish the floor so it is easy to keep clean. Eaves on the sides and overhangs on each end make it nice for loading/unloading in the rain. An overhead crane is really, really nice to have. Enough height for a two post lift is also really, really nice to have if you are going to be working on cars a lot.


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#2426928 - 01/01/18 12:15 AM Re: The do’s and don’ts when building a pole building ? [Re: AndyF]
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Originally Posted By AndyF
Use radiant floor heat. Insulate it. Put in a bunch of lights and plenty of outlets. Polish the floor so it is easy to keep clean. Eaves on the sides and overhangs on each end make it nice for loading/unloading in the rain. An overhead crane is really, really nice to have. Enough height for a two post lift is also really, really nice to have if you are going to be working on cars a lot.

I'm ashamed to say mine is to dirty and cluttered to show, would you like to come clean it up? I'll even pay! LOL

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#2426931 - 01/01/18 12:22 AM Re: The do’s and don’ts when building a pole building ? [Re: plumcrazycuda]
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Registered: 01/20/03
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Loc: Spokane Washington
I agree with Andy, polishing the concrete adds a nice feel to it and is easier to clean up, I sweep my floor with a micro fiber. Polish isn't high gloss, just polished to 200 grit (for better traction).


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#2426964 - 01/01/18 04:59 AM Re: The do’s and don’ts when building a pole building ? [Re: plumcrazycuda]
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Registered: 01/22/03
Posts: 8593
Loc: poplar bluff mo.
Mine is a 30x50 stick built. I did a few things way diggernt...one was..
I had a 4 foot tall concreat wall all around. Then stick built on top
...i can power wash and don't have to worry ever about water on bottom of my walls....
2. I had my doors on the side instead of the end...inhave way more space then my buddy 30x50. That has to move cars around to get something out
30 foot deep will clear any car and most trailers if have to
Being that my doors are on the side. I did a split height roof. 30v30 of it has a 8 foot tall ceiling. 20c30 part. Is 12 foot ceiling for lift
Wall and walk in door separating the 2 "rooms" low side is very easy to heat
Trusses made for open floor and I can store stuff in attic
3. Have the floor ever so slightly back side higher so water if have to run out the doors (front)...no drain or squdgie needed
4. Floor at least 6 inches higher then outside grade. So pads cantapper even to ground. Hard rain wing back fill into the shop. My pads are 16 long with a 7 inch end to end different. And if down pour it still will seep under door seal
5 no windows. People can't steal what they can't see
6 insulate the [censored] out of it"think over kill" do it one time and never think about it again
7..wall outlets...ovet kill again
I have my 220 on decided wall with outlet on both sides. My welded or plasma will reach anywhere in the building from those 2 outlets
8. Light. As many as you can afford lol
9. Just me but I prefer light switches that have little light in them. Easy to see when it's pitch black
10. Motion light that comes on as you walk to your walk in door....when dark on walking ton and away from shop late at night....or nothen else easy to tell anyone/anything near your shop entrance
11. Make that [censored] as b8g as you can afford...Now.. as every single person has said. This will be big enuff...well everyone knows how that went
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#2426965 - 01/01/18 05:06 AM Re: The do’s and don’ts when building a pole building ? [Re: plumcrazycuda]
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#2426966 - 01/01/18 05:08 AM Re: The do’s and don’ts when building a pole building ? [Re: plumcrazycuda]
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#2426976 - 01/01/18 06:48 AM Re: The do’s and don’ts when building a pole building ? [Re: plumcrazycuda]
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Registered: 01/20/03
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Don't use poles. Dig a footer and lay up a foundation. Get a course or two of blocks abovd the ground. Then use 2"x6" or 8" Studs. Make a box frame that is 4' wide and however tall. Go with 12' ceilings. Big enough for a lift. Nail the frames to together and you have a stronger stud than a pole or 4"x4". Plus pay attention as to how you make them and they won't twist or bend. Insulate!

Put radiant heat in the floor. Water heater or small propane furnace (what I have) works great. Beats hearing a loud fan from a blower heater.

Enjoy it.

Oh yea....put a restroom in it. Your wife will thank you many times over.....

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#2427017 - 01/01/18 10:08 AM Re: The do’s and don’ts when building a pole building ? [Re: plumcrazycuda]
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I built a small washroom that has a laundry tub so I can wash large parts when necessary. It has a crapper but because of the length of the run and slope I don't want it clogging up so its for taking a leak only. The compressor is also in there so the noise doesn't drive me crazy in the shop.

When I crunched the numbers the cost of a pole barn versus standard construction was very close and I figured the inside is easier to finish with standard stick frame construction. I was also on a tight budget so I had to chose between a larger shop or in floor heating so I went for the larger shop. Didn't get heat in for a few more years! I used "attic" trusses which give me a lot of extra storage space. I initially installed a lot of light bulbs (budget) but a few years back I upgraded to florescents. The bulbs should just about be reaching their end of life so I'm considering replacing all those with LED fixtures which throw an amazing amount of light,last forever and cost even less to run.

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#2427070 - 01/01/18 11:23 AM Re: The do’s and don’ts when building a pole building ? [Re: 70HemiGTX]
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Originally Posted By 70HemiGTX
Oh yea....put a restroom in it. Your wife will thank you many times over.....


I know a guy who knows a guy... who just put a urinal on one of the walls. No walls around it, since he's usually the only one out there. smirk
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#2427092 - 01/01/18 11:39 AM Re: The do’s and don’ts when building a pole building ? [Re: hooziewhatsit]
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In floor heat has been mentioned here multiple times. In my opinion, that is the ONLY way to go EVER. For me, I will never own another house or barn without it. Yes, it costs more, but functionally there is nothing better going.

Over the holidays we were in and out of multiple houses for family events. I can tell within minutes of being in a forced air heated house that it is not in-floor. I have it in my whole house (Main floor and basement, as well as the garage). I am in Michigan dealing with the bitter cold. 2450sq.ft. main floor, 2600sq.ft. basement and a three car garage kept at 52 degrees....total gas bill last month (I have a 21 year old daughter that takes tremendously long showers as well) was $97.

I have buddies that burn wood with hot water register heat and even they agree that for what I pay in gas, they also would not burn wood had they gone the route I did when I built.

Spend your money on insulation and a good heating system. You will not regret it.
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