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#2427751 - 01/02/18 11:56 AM Re: Contemplating a move - need a reality check [Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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Originally Posted By ScottSmith_Harms
Serge,

I spent time in Austin in the mid 90's. I liked it for a few reasons, weather, scenery, lots of night life, food, close to some larger cities for big city fun, etc.. But after visiting recently I noticed something I didn't really care for. Mainly? I'm older now and felt like a square peg in a round hole culturally and age group wise. I can see people in the 21-35 age group really liking it there, sort of a hipster vibe downtown. Not for me.. .02


Austin proper and East Austin are a bit of a freak show these days. I get the whole "Keep Austin Weird" thing, but they're really trying too hard.

That said, there are plenty of areas west and south of town, all the way down to San Marcos, that are plenty habitable without having to deal with the panhandling (it's embarrassingly bad in Austin), traffic, and other issues of the city. It's interesting how much the culture and politics change just a few blocks out of town.

Austin (and Texas in general) are growing like crazy, so plenty of opportunity. I've got siblings in both Dallas and Austin. Every winter, I come closer to picking up and heading down myself.

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#2427776 - 01/02/18 12:42 PM Re: Contemplating a move - need a reality check [Re: calmopar]
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Certainly the impact on the kids with a shared custody arrangement needs to be a primary factor in the decision process. I personally don't see how it would work with you being out of state, based on what I see with other couples who have joint custody, but your mileage may vary and I don't know the specifics of your deal that need to be considered.

Moving out of CA to avoid your list of issues, yea, 100s of thousands of thousands of people have been doing it so far this century. Many of the items on your list of gripes can be avoided by living in any of many different places. I'd recommend visiting http://www.city-data.com/ to assist you in the research elements for specific issues and items you want to know as well as visiting their forums to get some first hand feedback on issues others have run into in those locales that are highest on your list of potential relocation spots. Once you can narrow this down to 1-3 spots, then you can go visit and see first hand.

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#2427780 - 01/02/18 12:45 PM Re: Contemplating a move - need a reality check [Re: calmopar]
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I see two HUGE red flags after reading your plans:

KIDS: No way in &&%&% I would trust my ex AND her new hubby to pull up roots and follow me out of state........UNLESS they did it first. I can see you moving, then hear their excuses about no coming, or they could get cold feet when it comes time to turn in their two week notices.......

LANDLORD: Good luck being a long distance landlord. Unless you have huge rents and profit margin, any profit will be eaten away with third party management fees, travel, aspirin, etc..... Sell the property if you do decide to move permanently.

Hope this helps..that is a major move, especially when young kids are involved. Can you stick it out until the youngest is 18?
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#2427786 - 01/02/18 12:53 PM Re: Contemplating a move - need a reality check [Re: NewbombTurkk]
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#2427819 - 01/02/18 01:36 PM Re: Contemplating a move - need a reality check [Re: NewbombTurkk]
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Wherever you decide, I would look for something rural. From my experience, more and more of the cancerous ideology you are trying to flee is gaining traction in the big city suburbs. You may find in a few years feeling like you're back where you started.

Originally Posted By NewbombTurkk

KIDS: No way in &&%&% I would trust my ex AND her new hubby to pull up roots and follow me out of state........UNLESS they did it first. I can see you moving, then hear their excuses about no coming, or they could get cold feet when it comes time to turn in their two week notices.......


Good point. It would make good sense to get everything lined up but not pull the trigger on anything until after they move and get jobs.

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#2427877 - 01/02/18 03:23 PM Re: Contemplating a move - need a reality check [Re: feets]
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Originally Posted By feets
Originally Posted By hosehead

Thing thing I can't understand is how people get so mad about Californians moving to their state.



It's pretty simple.

The disease that has infected California is in the minds of the people who elect the officials and keep them in office. They also are the people who vote for those crazy ideas and laws that have turned the state into the disaster it has become.

California is beautiful but the people have destroyed it.

Now that it is becoming uninhabitable for so many they are fleeing the state and taking their diseased mindset with them. They then pollute the new community and slowly start turning it into the disaster they once fled.


Feets,

Please enlighten me as to how we destroyed California.

M426

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#2427901 - 01/02/18 03:56 PM Re: Contemplating a move - need a reality check [Re: calmopar]
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Won't speak for Feets...
But if we knew how it happened there it would sure be a lot easier to prevent it from happening here and everywhere else...
I'm on the wrong coast and I know what is found in the news is not typical of everyone there...
From here with what is reported it's a cesspool with little rules...less morals...and no punishment...
The whole state seems to be proof that drugs will make you stupid...Hearing about laws that are passed there just makes me shake my head and wonder...[ Moparts Family Site - Keep it Friendly ] are they thinking???
Part I can't figure out is all I hear is how expensive it is yet it's saturated with the equivalency of low-life pond scum...
Don't everyone from Cali get your panties in a bunch seeing as how if your on this site you probably don't fit into that category...
A lot of people around here just wish it would fall into the ocean taking its trash with it...
Worst part is Maryland is almost as bad on the east half of the State. For now the western portion is safe but the inner $hitty dwellers downstate are attempting to pollute this side too...
I'd want to live somewhere with a defined 4 seasons and a short winter period...something with a small town atmosphere where everyone was raised with enough morals and values they wouldn't need to carry protection but would have the ability to do so... twocents
With a dragstrip and dirt track nearby... up
Kind of exactly what I have with less winter...
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#2427905 - 01/02/18 03:59 PM Re: Contemplating a move - need a reality check [Re: Morty426]
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Originally Posted By Morty426
Originally Posted By feets
Originally Posted By hosehead

Thing thing I can't understand is how people get so mad about Californians moving to their state.



It's pretty simple.

The disease that has infected California is in the minds of the people who elect the officials and keep them in office. They also are the people who vote for those crazy ideas and laws that have turned the state into the disaster it has become.

California is beautiful but the people have destroyed it.

Now that it is becoming uninhabitable for so many they are fleeing the state and taking their diseased mindset with them. They then pollute the new community and slowly start turning it into the disaster they once fled.


Feets,

Please enlighten me as to how we destroyed California.

M426


hopefully without getting political


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#2427909 - 01/02/18 04:02 PM Re: Contemplating a move - need a reality check [Re: calmopar]
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Ever notice how the frog wonders why everyone is talking about the pot boiling?

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#2427912 - 01/02/18 04:07 PM Re: Contemplating a move - need a reality check [Re: Supercuda]
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Originally Posted By Θάνατος
Ever notice how the frog wonders why everyone is talking about the pot boiling?


bow Wow...excellent synopsis... up
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Sorry Doc...

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#2428016 - 01/02/18 07:34 PM Re: Contemplating a move - need a reality check [Re: feets]
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Originally Posted By feets
Originally Posted By hosehead

Thing thing I can't understand is how people get so mad about Californians moving to their state.



It's pretty simple.

The disease that has infected California is in the minds of the people who elect the officials and keep them in office. They also are the people who vote for those crazy ideas and laws that have turned the state into the disaster it has become.

California is beautiful but the people have destroyed it.

Now that it is becoming uninhabitable for so many they are fleeing the state and taking their diseased mindset with them. They then pollute the new community and slowly start turning it into the disaster they once fled.


Wow, feets. Thanks for assuming that EVERYONE leaving has a diseased mind. laugh2 This is kind of what I'm talking about. How do you figure all the people fleeing California are bringing a certain mentality with them. Maybe some real estate equity but not what you're talking about. Not this Okie. No way.
It's a two way street. People flock to California(even from Texas) to be a part of the weather, political climate, whatever. People leave for the same reason. Because they've had enough. This generalization is silly. But hey, what do I know. I've only lived here for 20 years.......
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#2428073 - 01/02/18 09:26 PM Re: Contemplating a move - need a reality check [Re: skicker]
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Originally Posted By skicker
Won't speak for Feets...
But if we knew how it happened there it would sure be a lot easier to prevent it from happening here and everywhere else...
I'm on the wrong coast and I know what is found in the news is not typical of everyone there...
From here with what is reported it's a cesspool with little rules...less morals...and no punishment...
The whole state seems to be proof that drugs will make you stupid...Hearing about laws that are passed there just makes me shake my head and wonder...[ Moparts Family Site - Keep it Friendly ] are they thinking???
Part I can't figure out is all I hear is how expensive it is yet it's saturated with the equivalency of low-life pond scum...
Don't everyone from Cali get your panties in a bunch seeing as how if your on this site you probably don't fit into that category...
A lot of people around here just wish it would fall into the ocean taking its trash with it...
Worst part is Maryland is almost as bad on the east half of the State. For now the western portion is safe but the inner $hitty dwellers downstate are attempting to pollute this side too...
I'd want to live somewhere with a defined 4 seasons and a short winter period...something with a small town atmosphere where everyone was raised with enough morals and values they wouldn't need to carry protection but would have the ability to do so... twocents
With a dragstrip and dirt track nearby... up
Kind of exactly what I have with less winter...


Skicker - thanks for your very professional response. I appreciate it. up

You haven't really told me what you think is wrong with CA but I'll try hit on some of your points.

Little rules - oh no we have tons of rules. We have way too many rules. It's the results of term limits, gutless politicians and (the worst) running the state with ballot initiatives.

Less morals - I think the morals here are pretty darn good but if you are referring to the porn industry then yes we have that, but that's SoCal

No punishment - we have so many people in jail we ship them to other States. We famous prisons - Alcatraz, Folsom, San Quinten - heck Pelican Bay is supposed to be the worst place in the country if you are an inmate. We have the death penalty but don't get me started on us not doing it.

Drugs - I think the drug problem is a lot worse in other States. I could be wrong.

Stupid Laws - most of what you hear are stupid laws that get proposed not actually implemented. Again it gets back to term limits, gutless politicians and (the worst) running the state with ballot initiatives. Term limits brings in a new class of clowns that don't know %$#^ and they think that they need to look busy so they make crap up. They should focus on eliminating restrictions that don't make sense.

Expensive - yes it's expensive. The average home asking price in my area is $464K, selling is $399k. That's over the June 2006 (before crash) max. In the Bay Area selling is $800K supposedly but it's probably really $1M. It's supply and demand coupled with employers that pay big bucks. I make 2.5X what I would make anywhere else in the country.

California falling into the sea - well eventually Point Reyes will break off. If you are talking SoCal / LA falling off and it takes the Dodgers and Lakers with them I'm all for it. I will miss the Spring Fling - the worlds second largest Mopar show.

Seasons - we have seasons
Rain Season
Growing Season
Drying Season
Fire Season
Actually if you go East into the Sierras you get the normal four seasons

Small town - I used to live in Santa Margarita, 4th oldest settlement in the State, population 1,100 but only half live in town. Very quiet, loved it. I currently live on 17+ acres with no one to the south or east ever. One and only one home to the north about 60 yards away.

Carry protection - never owned a thing for protection ever. Never felt I needed it.

Drag strip / dirt track - all with in 30 minutes of me and an off road park and numerous go cart tracks.

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#2428078 - 01/02/18 09:35 PM Re: Contemplating a move - need a reality check [Re: Morty426]
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Thanks for the thoughtful response Morty. Well said.
And I didn't mean to start anything with Feets. I'm sure he doesn't mean EVERYONE in California. I'm hoping we are among the good guys. Just some of the California bashing here gets super generalized and is often misinformed. It gets tedious. And I'm one of the ones who wants to leave! laugh2
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#2428128 - 01/02/18 11:28 PM Re: Contemplating a move - need a reality check [Re: calmopar]
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Thing is, you guys are outlining “stupid laws,” which I won’t rehash all you described except to say I see tacit admission those looking into your fishbowl are right. And yes, ca exports this stuff with the people leaving. Not sure why anybody would disagree with that assessment.
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#2428153 - 01/03/18 12:24 AM Re: Contemplating a move - need a reality check [Re: calmopar]
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Camas might be okay, you basically just need to stay out of the denser populated areas in both WA and OR if you don't want to be surrounded by left wing idiots. Once you get roughly 30 miles away from downtown Portland the people start to be able to think for themselves. Inside that zone is mostly stepford wives.

Good luck, sounds like a complicated move.

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#2428155 - 01/03/18 12:43 AM Re: Contemplating a move - need a reality check [Re: SomeCarGuy]
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Originally Posted By SomeCarGuy
Thing is, you guys are outlining “stupid laws,” which I won’t rehash all you described except to say I see tacit admission those looking into your fishbowl are right. And yes, ca exports this stuff with the people leaving. Not sure why anybody would disagree with that assessment.


I'm not sure if I understand what we are exporting with the people that exit.

People exit here because of various reasons but the main ones are:

1. Retirement - this is a God awful place to retire. So we go to Oregon, Nevada or Arizona mostly
2. People who just can't take the pace - the only place close is the hustle in NYC. California's work hard. We have an expectation of everything being done right now. Pronto. I try go to Carlisle every year. One year I went with a Moparts member and he wanted to stiff our waitress because he thought the service was slow. It wasn't it was just the pace in PA. It's different. I observed it when I tried to move a factory from CA to IA and TX. The work ethic just isn't the same.
3. People who cannot manage the costs - you make more you pay more. Some just can't play the financial long game that is needed here.

As for exporting here is somethings we export but it has nothing to do with the people leaving.

1. Emission Requirements - we set the smog laws. This is the result of FEDERAL requirements. Our geography and the number of people have forced us to take drastic measures to meet those requirements. That has created the evil empire know as California EPA and the dreaded California Air Resources Board - CARB. I know what it was like to breath the air in 1971 in the summer at Disneyland. It hurt. We buy ~20% of ALL the cars and trucks sold in the US so the automakers do what we say - sometimes kicking and screaming, but no one is giving up that pie.

2. Police Cars - we buy more than anyone. So that ripples through the Police community. Ford Explorer is the CHP vehicle of choice right now.

3. Produce - we grow a ton of food, exporting it to you all and the rest of the world. Some things are ONLY grown in CA

4. Money - we pay more to the Feds than what we get back.

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#2428212 - 01/03/18 08:33 AM Re: Contemplating a move - need a reality check [Re: calmopar]
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Ok morty, don’t listen to basically everybody that’s not from ca, that all have and will continue to tell you the same thing. I can imagine you moving out too, only to be met with the same sort of comments and still not getting it. Lmao.
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#2428283 - 01/03/18 11:10 AM Re: Contemplating a move - need a reality check [Re: SomeCarGuy]
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Originally Posted By SomeCarGuy
Ok morty, don’t listen to basically everybody that’s not from ca, that all have and will continue to tell you the same thing. I can imagine you moving out too, only to be met with the same sort of comments and still not getting it. Lmao.


I am listening. I am asking for a reason, it's you is not answering. What are we exporting? Our political beliefs? If so it's hogwash.

The biggest thing we export is money. Californians leave with a big bank roll and buy a fancy house in your neck of the woods and drive up the price.

I think that's called jealousy.

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#2428311 - 01/03/18 11:59 AM Re: Contemplating a move - need a reality check [Re: Morty426]
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Originally Posted By Morty426
Originally Posted By SomeCarGuy
Ok morty, don’t listen to basically everybody that’s not from ca, that all have and will continue to tell you the same thing. I can imagine you moving out too, only to be met with the same sort of comments and still not getting it. Lmao.


I am listening. I am asking for a reason, it's you is not answering. What are we exporting? Our political beliefs? If so it's hogwash.

The biggest thing we export is money. Californians leave with a big bank roll and buy a fancy house in your neck of the woods and drive up the price.

I think that's called jealousy.


You think it's hogwash because you aren't experiencing it. It's the same here in Florida with northerners moving here. They like the weather but they want to bring the rest of their values here.

One of the lines I hate the most is "That's not how we did it back home."

First of all, we don't care how you did it back home, and secondly if it was so great there why are you here? Go back home.
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#2428322 - 01/03/18 12:23 PM Re: Contemplating a move - need a reality check [Re: calmopar]
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I have several friends and our son's family all have moved to oregon.
Getting good jobs in OR is getting more challenging due to the influx.
Son sent us this article over the weekend Migration <-Click
Without exception all said the first thing they did was strip exhaust and emission equipment. Tout their lack of sales tax, yet some say property tax is too much and housing is $$.
I know nothing more other than locals view the immigrants with a disparaging eye.
edit: I wrote this before reading the thread and my comments hold true. I only want to add that with only one exception (our son whom moved there with his job) all the people moved there with the hope to retain wealth and "get away from regulations". Trying to distance from politics here those same people while living here sniveled about regulations and cost. You all know the type that can throw a wet blanket over a celebration gathering, wandering from group to group spewing their discontent with people places things? That's them, good riddance I say (not to calmopar, just be prepared for the reception should you end up there and divulge costs and money savings as the reason for your move).
I remember back in the 60's and 70's when Oregonians despised Californians, I don't believe too much has changed. For me, I love the little corner of California I live (no jobs, relatively low tax rate protected by prop 13, with everything paid off, and lots of green money floating around). I hope the exodus continues.


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