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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated! [Re: SCATPACK 1] #2422222
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Originally Posted By SCATPACK 1
Originally Posted By Dragula
Originally Posted By Al_Alguire
Whats up with that oil filter???


Its a K&P Engineering re-usable filter. I have a couple of them I bought from Ray Bartons shop. I like these a lot better than others I have used.



And sanwhiched between the Milidon pump & cover and the oil filter is an adapter to go to my Accumulator





Just curious, was this filter on the engine when you had problems each time?
Or is it a new addition since the rebuild?
I have always been a believer in the more gimmicks, the more things can go wrong. Less is better for me.
Good luck and I can't wait for you to get it going again. I really enjoyed the U tube races you posted.




We like these, they catch any and all the debris....Its why the crank is still usable after the last go around, everything was in the filter. And we have gone back and forth, and I really like these. Otherwise I would have used half a dozen filters on this engine this year...

I run the same one on my race car for years now. If you have to pull it to inspect somthing, clean it and put it back on.

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'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated! [Re: Dragula] #2422308
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Glad you got that puppy back and hope your problems are behind you Randy........... beer luck


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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated! [Re: Thumperdart] #2423127
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I am optimistic, but just in case, I have a set of the new G3 Eddy heads ported by Ray, and currently at Titek for seats, valves, springs, and any finishing required...

As much as I really love our latest low deck wedge engine combo and scored another 400 block, this car requires a Hemi in it....

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'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated! [Re: Dragula] #2423141
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Does the filter have a magnet inside too ?

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Yes..


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
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Good luck Randy
Hope it runs a long time for you

Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated! [Re: FastmOp] #2424321
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Originally Posted By FastmOp
Good luck Randy
Hope it runs a long time for you

iagree up


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'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
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Originally Posted By an8sec70cuda
Originally Posted By FastmOp
Good luck Randy
Hope it runs a long time for you

iagree up


iagree X 3


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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated! [Re: Dragula] #2424391
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Good luck, Dragula. I hope all your Hemi troubles are behind you. It certainly has been a struggle, but you have hung in there. You deserve success now!


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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated! [Re: Hemi_Joel] #2440746
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Originally Posted By Hemi_Joel
Good luck, Dragula. I hope all your Hemi troubles are behind you. It certainly has been a struggle, but you have hung in there. You deserve success now!


I am excited....Its all in and ready to fire, just not warm enough...Supposed to warm up tomorrow and Saturday. So will will light the candles once again.


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
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Good luck. MY next build will be an upgrade from my 528" Hemi to a 605" also.


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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated! [Re: 6PKRTSE] #2441280
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Originally Posted By 6PKRTSE
Good luck. MY next build will be an upgrade from my 528" Hemi to a 605" also.



The 4.75 crank is a lot tougher to get than the 4.5 cranks.....Next redo will be a 572+.030 if I ever have to rebuild again.

Also, the clearancing for the stroke seemed too much because I don't run aluminum rods...So if I had it to do over, I would rather do the stroke clearancing myself. I don't think the notches in the bottom of the cylinders needed nearly that much....


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
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When I bought my 572 rotating assembly there was the 605 listed, the 572 seemed more of a popular choice at that time. 33 more cubes should have been a no brainer. What the he11 was I thinking?


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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated! [Re: rowin4] #2469284
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Well, after a long delay, many discussions, lots of disappointments, I have found some hope in plan C.....

I am going to pick up a brand new block hopefully this Saturday.....Got the cash in hand, and the guy still has it. So a road trip it is.

So with that said, I pulled the running engine out this weekend to start the tear down and see what we can learn from it. Probably not much unless we go all out to pressure test every passage.

I went thru many different ideas and options this year in looking at my problem, and realized that the lack of parts for the old G2's is really not fun anymore unless its a show poodle.

I was willing to spend some money to end this issue once and for all. But in my searching, I realized it might be time to switch to somthing else. The lack of blocks and standardizing is killing the after market right now. At least in my eyes.

For those that didn't notice my add in the race section, I fired up the fresh 605 just after the new year, and again, oil pressure was an issue. After about 20min of idling, it was down to 10lbs...Same issue as before. I was really looking forward to enjoying this car a little this year, and time after time, its just a money pit...But I see some hope in the near future...


Last edited by Dragula; 03/20/18 06:33 PM.

'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
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What kind of block are you going to get? Hope you get it fixed soon, you've sure had it rough w/ this one.
A good block is really the only hard part to get right now...hopefully you'll get a good one then you can enjoy the dern thing.


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'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated! [Re: an8sec70cuda] #2469296
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Well, first I was willing to buy a complete running engine, and KB and Indy stuff does not interchange well if not at all. In fact, even some of the KB stuff doesn't interchange with KB stuff depending...This makes things very difficult for people like me...

Then I looked at maybe a billet water block...Same issue, long lead, custom built to order....Still looking at G3 options. I really like the Hellcat crate. And that is kinda my plan at the end of this season is to buy one of those if I can swing it after this mess...

Here is current plan C...

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Last edited by Dragula; 03/20/18 06:49 PM.

'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated! [Re: Dragula] #2469416
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What are you going to do with the Indy block? Sell it?

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Originally Posted By blowndart
What are you going to do with the Indy block? Sell it?


No idea yet....but probably. The rebuild will probably be for sale too....I think its time for me to move on after this....Unless for some reason I have way too much fun with it this year.

Been wanting a Hellcat crate and see how fast it can go in a 3200lb pro-street car....


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
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Proper set up with Headers and tune I would say low 9's

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I hope you figure things out with the hemi, but the Hellcrate motor is awesome too...

I just bought a low mile 6.1 motor for my 2800lb Duster and I can't wait to get it working. I'm thinking of using the Holley Dominator EFI system too...

A Hellcrate motor on E85 and decent boost would be awesome!

Anyway, just curious, I'm sure you looked at everything with the big hemi, but...

Does the Indy block have bushed lifter bores? Maybe leaking around the lifters?

Have you spun the oil pump with 1/2 inch drill or similar, with the intake off and peaked at the lifters from the top and bottom to look for massive oil escaping?

The same for each of the cam journals/bearings?

Somehow figure out how to get oil to the pump without the oil pan being on the motor and observe things from the bottom of the block while pressurizing the oil system.

I can't afford a real hemi, but admire and appreciate those who run them. I really hope you get it figured out and keep that motor in the car for years to come.

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