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#2425025 - 12/28/17 04:37 PM Re: Another vicious dog attack [Re: Guitar Jones]
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Originally Posted By Guitar Jones
Originally Posted By krautrock
why should any dog be kept in a non-working environment household or residential area???


Not all dogs are working dogs and you know it, so stop playing stupid.
That is impossible.
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#2425027 - 12/28/17 04:38 PM Re: Another vicious dog attack [Re: Guitar Jones]
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Originally Posted By Guitar Jones
Originally Posted By krautrock
Originally Posted By srt
The article reads "Bulldogs rank at the lowest degree of working/obedience intelligence."


what kind of bulldog?

french bulldog?
english bulldog?
american bulldog?
or some other bulldog??


All of them are dumber than a box a rocks.
After seeing all of those breeds at dog shows and obedience trials, I have to agree.
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#2425070 - 12/28/17 06:32 PM Re: Another vicious dog attack [Re: krautrock]
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Originally Posted By krautrock
what kind of bulldog?

from this article that was linked
https://www.caninejournal.com/bulldog/

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#2425077 - 12/28/17 07:01 PM Re: Another vicious dog attack [Re: Guitar Jones]
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Originally Posted By Guitar Jones
Originally Posted By krautrock
Originally Posted By srt
The article reads "Bulldogs rank at the lowest degree of working/obedience intelligence."


what kind of bulldog?

french bulldog?
english bulldog?
american bulldog?
or some other bulldog??


All of them are dumber than a box a rocks.


from the survey the article is citing, a st. bernard is dumber than any of the breeds we've mentioned so far except the english bulldog. lol.
i've always said dogs and owners are usually pretty similar...

http://petrix.com/dogint/intelligence.html

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#2425080 - 12/28/17 07:03 PM Re: Another vicious dog attack [Re: Guitar Jones]
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Originally Posted By Guitar Jones
Originally Posted By krautrock
why should any dog be kept in a non-working environment household or residential area???


Not all dogs are working dogs and you know it, so stop playing stupid.


i'm just wondering what's the reason to haee any dog that doesn't serve a useful purpose like hunting or something like that.
why do you have whatever breed you have?

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#2425117 - 12/28/17 08:01 PM Re: Another vicious dog attack [Re: krautrock]
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Originally Posted By krautrock
Originally Posted By Guitar Jones
Originally Posted By krautrock
Originally Posted By srt
The article reads "Bulldogs rank at the lowest degree of working/obedience intelligence."


what kind of bulldog?

french bulldog?
english bulldog?
american bulldog?
or some other bulldog??


All of them are dumber than a box a rocks.


from the survey the article is citing, a st. bernard is dumber than any of the breeds we've mentioned so far except the english bulldog. lol.
i've always said dogs and owners are usually pretty similar...

http://petrix.com/dogint/intelligence.html


Oh yeah, you got me good. Not!

I never said my dog was smart. She is a St Bernard/cocker spaniel mix that absolutely loves everyone and will do anything for a treat. She is beautiful, goofy and loving.

My Catahoula was extremely smart, probably smarter than you because she could at least follow direction and assess a situation correctly and respond accordingly.

So since you think owners are similar to their dogs I guess you are saying you are an ugly, stupid, crop eared, dwarf with a bad attitude and a propensity for violence.

I guess I agree with you then.
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#2425121 - 12/28/17 08:06 PM Re: Another vicious dog attack [Re: krautrock]
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Originally Posted By krautrock
Originally Posted By Guitar Jones
Originally Posted By krautrock
why should any dog be kept in a non-working environment household or residential area???


Not all dogs are working dogs and you know it, so stop playing stupid.


i'm just wondering what's the reason to haee any dog that doesn't serve a useful purpose like hunting or something like that.
why do you have whatever breed you have?


I rescued the dogs I have because I have a heart for innocent defenseless animals and people.

Why do you have a hog dog if you don't use it for taking down hogs?

Take a look at the video I posted and show me any other breed that would do that. And don't skate around it either by cherry picking. Find a video of another breed taking down a hog.
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#2425138 - 12/28/17 08:27 PM Re: Another vicious dog attack [Re: Guitar Jones]
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Originally Posted By Guitar Jones
Originally Posted By krautrock
Originally Posted By Guitar Jones
Originally Posted By krautrock


what kind of bulldog?

french bulldog?
english bulldog?
american bulldog?
or some other bulldog??


All of them are dumber than a box a rocks.


from the survey the article is citing, a st. bernard is dumber than any of the breeds we've mentioned so far except the english bulldog. lol.
i've always said dogs and owners are usually pretty similar...

http://petrix.com/dogint/intelligence.html


Oh yeah, you got me good. Not!

I never said my dog was smart. She is a St Bernard/cocker spaniel mix that absolutely loves everyone and will do anything for a treat. She is beautiful, goofy and loving.

My Catahoula was extremely smart, probably smarter than you because she could at least follow direction and assess a situation correctly and respond accordingly.

So since you think owners are similar to their dogs I guess you are saying you are an ugly, stupid, crop eared, dwarf with a bad attitude and a propensity for violence.

I guess I agree with you then.


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#2425157 - 12/28/17 08:53 PM Re: Another vicious dog attack [Re: mopargem]
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Krautrock linked article shows bull terrier ranking 66 and is among the group that obey first command 30% of the time or better. Bulldogs ranked 77 and in the group that obey first command 25% of the time or worse.
Several other potentially aggressive dogs are near the top of the intelligence list and obey at a higher percentage.
I can't be the only person to see that a strong potentially aggressive dog that does not listen to commands at a high rate can be problematic.
My dog choice criteria will not allow me to own several similar breeds. I don't like dogs that slobber and do not want to own one, much less be around one.

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#2425189 - 12/28/17 09:49 PM Re: Another vicious dog attack [Re: Guitar Jones]
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Originally Posted By Guitar Jones


Take a look at the video I posted and show me any other breed that would do that. And don't skate around it either by cherry picking. Find a video of another breed taking down a hog.


an american pitbull terrier won't take down a hog. my big bad scary male APBT is barely over 50lbs. that's not doing much to a hog.

there are plenty of dogs that attack. i was going to find a video of a police dog but this was an easy find too and it covers quite a few breeds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s5DoGy1Bfo

notice what they say about the last dog on the list...

also i've met a Dogo before, it was very nice and silly.

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#2425212 - 12/28/17 10:58 PM Re: Another vicious dog attack [Re: mopargem]
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I've been called over by a hysterical 7 year old neighbor to help her Mom get the pitbull off of their other dog. Yea, that was fun. That pit was about as dead-eyed as a Great White while it had the other dog's throat....you will not find me near those things, if I can help it.

I can assure you my Border Collies won't be an issue either. The last thing I want is a "protective" or remotely aggressive dog in my house.
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#2425248 - 12/29/17 01:48 AM Re: Another vicious dog attack [Re: mopargem]
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Krautrock. The wiki article clearly explains "Because aggressive traits are purposely bred out, attacks on humans or other pets are extremely rare."
Breeders have purposely bread out undesirable traits. Do you think there is any chance a dog whose roots are the Cordoba Fighting Dog could become undesirable? Perhaps "fans" of the dog could breed to enhance those fight to the death tendencies.
Several of thes large (livestock) type guard and working dogs have become subject to breeders wanting bad azz dogs. To with the two that tore apart a woman outside her apartment when they overpowered the caretaker and attacked. The caretaker, an attorney (and her husband) re-homed the dogs from a woman in the small nor cal town of Hayfork where they took to killing neighbors goats. The owners were actually convicts in California's Pelican Bay whom were running a breeding program from there.
Again, it's not the dog it's the owners. Unfortunately some dogs, in the hands of some people produce undesirable traits. Not only temperment, but bad hips, skin problems, cancer tendency and numerous other issues.
It's like anything else, if there is $ to be made...

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#2425540 - 12/29/17 06:26 PM Re: Another vicious dog attack [Re: mopargem]
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#2425919 - 12/30/17 01:53 PM Re: Another vicious dog attack [Re: AeroMonte]
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Originally Posted By AeroMonte
If you read the article it seems the dogs were owned by a less than steller waste of oxygen. It's not the breed that is dangerous, it's the human trash that mistreat and create these vicious animals. I know several people with pits that are as gentle as any lap dog you may have. I've been bit and attacked by other breeds that you would never expect. It's the owners that are to blame and should be held accountable, not an entire breed of animal.


This is what I have experienced myself.
I have known several very kind Rotts as well as Pintchers and a few other supposedly dangerous dogs.
It is indeed the human element that creates a beast.
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#2425920 - 12/30/17 01:55 PM Re: Another vicious dog attack [Re: mopargem]
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#2425922 - 12/30/17 01:56 PM Re: Another vicious dog attack [Re: Pkeel]
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Originally Posted By Pkeel
Might be a better idea to prevent certain people from having pets at all.

Might be an even better idea to keep some people from breeding.
Oops, too far? whistling
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#2426169 - 12/30/17 11:19 PM Re: Another vicious dog attack [Re: mopargem]
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For discussion only, I realize what you wrote is tongue in cheek:
Some people (with genetic markers) elect to not have children. Is this reasonable?
Is it right to suggest laws to prevent bringing forth defective progeny?
Is it too far of a reach to suggest that some animal progeny serve no useful purpose today? The freedom of choice could be compromised should society dictate if reasonable alternates exist that would preclude individual rights.
Tred lightly.
I suggest fans of potentially dangerous breeds start thinking about breeding out undesirable traits (before they become unreasonable to society).

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#2426229 - 12/31/17 07:18 AM Re: Another vicious dog attack [Re: mopargem]
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#2426339 - 12/31/17 11:55 AM Re: Another vicious dog attack [Re: mopargem]
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I didn't have a dog in this fight until I talked to my neighbor. I noticed he had a new puppy. We got to talking, and he got a new puppy because over Christmas, his other pup was eating and an 8 year old pulled on the pups tail, and the dog bit the kid. Not the dogs fault, and the dog was great around kids otherwise. There was no indication that the pup was vicious or would otherwise harm a kid. It was euthanized.

The pup? It was a husky German shepherd mix.


And FWIW, I rescued a pit from a horse rescue. She had bitten one guy twice and another guy once. She ended up being a great dog. I even trusted her with my bed ridden gramma. Even my grammas nurses would comment on what a great dog she was. She had been beat with hands, and was hand shy. The guy she bit twice? Shoved his hand in front of her face. You don't do that! You wait for the dog to approach YOU especially if it were just dropped off and was in a high stress situation! The other guy she bit? She walked up to him sniffing him, he turned around quickly, dang near stepped on her, scared her, and she snapped and ran and hid.

I worked with that pit and she was no longer hand shy. I knew she would be a great dog after I accidentally stepped on her paw and she yelped and didn't snap at me.

She unfortunately passed at 5 years old.

And yes, another pit is in my future. Saying all pits are bad is painting with a broad brush. It's akin to seeing a dented mopar and saying all Mopar drivers are bad drivers.

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#2426345 - 12/31/17 12:04 PM Re: Another vicious dog attack [Re: mopargem]
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magnum440d100,

So, let's say you had your pit in a public place (that being anywhere outside your home) and it bit the face of a 5 year old girl because she put her hand in its face to pet it.

Where would you place the blame?

The pit?
The pits owner
The little girl?
The little girls gaurdian?

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