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Hotchkis Challenger #2419276
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Who is familiar with the yellow Hotchkis Challenger? I saw it on the Power Tour about three years ago.


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What's the question? I think Hotchkis folks come around here every now and then.


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I went crazy over the sound of that thing on the Power Tour. I am trying to wake up my Charger a little bit and if I could get the hit of the engine and exhaust tone like that that Challenger I’d be stoked. I looked at it on the PT but never got to talk to either person that was with it. I’m also guessing it had a Tremec set up from Keisler at the time.


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Re: Hotchkis Challenger [Re: dfsmopars] #2419299
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The 70 T/A?


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Yes


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Re: Hotchkis Challenger [Re: dfsmopars] #2419309
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Don't know alot about the car other than it has all their stuff on it.
A few years ago at the MATS in Vegas a girl named Jill I think schooled everyone on the road course all weekend. Was a big turn out with lots of late models, imports and early muscle. She was at one with the T/A and just tore it up. Was consistently the fastest. Was really fun to watch her.


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Re: Hotchkis Challenger [Re: dfsmopars] #2419314
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I’m on a mission and I need a good start. The TA is my motivation. Come on, throw me a bone.


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‘14 Big Horn, Quad Cab, 4x4, 1500
Re: Hotchkis Challenger [Re: dfsmopars] #2419321
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with its original six-pack-carb setup atop a cammed-up 340 Mopar small-block V-8, bored 0.030 over and rattling the chassis’ loose rafters through Flowmasters and thundering side exhaust outlets. W


https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hotchkis-e-max-dodge-challenger-feature


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Men and fish are alike. They both get into trouble when they open their mouths

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I've used their rear springs on a couple cars. They are nice and should be for 650.00
Going to make my own for my Dart.


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Re: Hotchkis Challenger [Re: amxautox] #2419324
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And her name is Mary. If I think for a while longer I might be able to think of her last name. grin


Tom

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Men and fish are alike. They both get into trouble when they open their mouths

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Re: Hotchkis Challenger [Re: amxautox] #2419325
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Mary Pozzi;

https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video;_ylt=A0SO8y0OkTRajx4A3HhXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEyZTFydXZtBGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwMyBHZ0aWQDQjQ0ODJfMQRzZWMDc2M-?p=racing+the+hotchkiss+challenger+with+Mary&fr=yfp-t#id=3&vid=69c2fddb737429c8b8a67248008f5d80&action=view

click here <<<


Tom

"Everyone should believe in something; I believe I'll go fishing."

-Henry David Thoreau

Men and fish are alike. They both get into trouble when they open their mouths

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Re: Hotchkis Challenger [Re: dfsmopars] #2419351
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He's trolling. Saw it 3 years ago and now he's all excited. Right!

Re: Hotchkis Challenger [Re: dfsmopars] #2419392
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The fact is my Charger build was all new and I was happy with it. But our group had stopped at a lookout in WV and this TA went by on the interstate ripping it and I said then that when it became time for a modification the sound of that Challenger was going to be a goal. It is that time.


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Thanks Tom for the links. They didn't say it but Boom Tubes may be the secret. I've been wondering about those. Flowmasters surprised me but that's OK. I may already have a better engine but not a better sound. Talking to Silver Sport now about the trans.


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‘14 Big Horn, Quad Cab, 4x4, 1500
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When I was installing my TVS kit I had a couple of questions. Called Hotchkis tech support and spoke with John a couple of times. We got on to the subject of the TA. Call Hotchkis.

Re: Hotchkis Challenger [Re: dfsmopars] #2419539
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I've seen it quite a few times in their shop and talked to them about it. It's a pretty basic Challenger drivetrain wise, 340-6 pack 4-speed. The suspension is all of their Hotchkis stuff. It doesn't even have a cage as most the interior except for the front seats is stock. However, it does have huge Stoptech rotors and calipers. I can't tell you the specs, but I believe it's close to 14" rotors and maybe a 6-piston caliper up front. Probably around 12" rotor in the rear with a 4 piston caliper. It's also running on Forgeline wheels and I think 295's on all 4 corners. I know a couple of years ago they were running 265's up front.

In my experience, and being around the SoCal Autocross scene, a fast car is 75% driver, 15% tires, 5% suspension, 5% others.

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The last time I was up close to the Emax Challenger it had Flomaster mufflers that had been modified the last third to be side exit out to rocker panels, looked like 1.25" x 6"

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It was up here for Hot August Nights, never got to hear it running.
Wasn't at the autocross when I was out there running my car.

Ohh and Mary Pozzi can school most anyone behind the wheel. She's really fast.


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Re: Hotchkis Challenger [Re: dfsmopars] #2419726
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Rick Ehrenberg is right....Cars look bad when the radiator yoke is not blacked out.

Re: Hotchkis Challenger [Re: dfsmopars] #2420287
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I always wanted to fix the core support on that thing, but John wouldn't let me.
Couple of questions/errors I saw for clarification...
-Car runs a Hurst prepped, Bowler rebuilt TKO 600
-Tires are 275/35/18's front; 295/40/18's rear on stock sheet metal
-Last dyno the engine made a whopping 304rwhp. A bit too much cam on the last rebuild unfortunately.
The car REALLY showcases the ability of our cars with these suspensions and the futility of all the coilover/rack setups. Last few Carlisle events one of the fastest cars was running a mildly built /6! I really dug that car. Some of our competitors cars came to play; even with big tires, big power and a talented driver; they couldn't get it together. Some of them that we know are regularly raced just sat on the show field <shrug>
Mufflers are flowmasters with a nascar-style tip welded to the sides of the cans for side exit and the factory hole on the muffler capped. The boom Tubes were being crushed between the SFC and "debris" (cones) from time to time.

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Re: Hotchkis Challenger [Re: 68rrunner] #2420346
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what is 'sfc'?


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Ok, thanks.


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Re: Hotchkis Challenger [Re: MuuMuu101] #2420415
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a fast car is 75% driver, 15% tires, 5% suspension, 5% other


Well said above... The "nut-behind-the-wheel" is always the biggest influencing factor.


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Re: Hotchkis Challenger [Re: 68rrunner] #2420570
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Originally Posted By 68rrunner
I always wanted to fix the core support on that thing, but John wouldn't let me.
Couple of questions/errors I saw for clarification...
-Car runs a Hurst prepped, Bowler rebuilt TKO 600
-Tires are 275/35/18's front; 295/40/18's rear on stock sheet metal
-Last dyno the engine made a whopping 304rwhp. A bit too much cam on the last rebuild unfortunately.
The car REALLY showcases the ability of our cars with these suspensions and the futility of all the coilover/rack setups. Last few Carlisle events one of the fastest cars was running a mildly built /6! I really dug that car. Some of our competitors cars came to play; even with big tires, big power and a talented driver; they couldn't get it together. Some of them that we know are regularly raced just sat on the show field <shrug>
Mufflers are flowmasters with a nascar-style tip welded to the sides of the cans for side exit and the factory hole on the muffler capped. The boom Tubes were being crushed between the SFC and "debris" (cones) from time to time.

Thank you very much. It was such a cool moment when the T/A went by on the PT. It looked and sounded killer as it went by.


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Re: Hotchkis Challenger [Re: Mopar Mitch] #2420725
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Originally Posted By Mopar Mitch
a fast car is 75% driver, 15% tires, 5% suspension, 5% other


Well said above... The "nut-behind-the-wheel" is always the biggest influencing factor.


No Kidding.
I drove our "then new" 2015 Challenger at Willow Springs in April 2015. In turn 2, a long U shaped turn, I felt maxed out at 66-67 mph. I let an instructor drive the car with me in the passenger seat. He was doing 80 and the car seemed just as stable. For me, it felt as if I were at the limits of grip. I think he was able to have the increased speed since he entered the turn better with a better line and more speed.

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A few years back at the MATS, I got to ride along with Mary Pozzi in the emax Challenger. It was quite a blast, and that lady can drive.
I couldn't believe how that car sticks to the road. She freaked me out from the start as she blasted towards the first corner, and never let off the gas! In my mind I was thinking "isn't she going to slow down for this turn", well she didn't have to.

Later in the day I got another ride with her in one of the "new" Camaro's. It was nearly as fast, but just didn't have the feel and sound of raw power that the Challenger did.

That was a fun day.

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Originally Posted By Frankenduster
Originally Posted By Mopar Mitch
a fast car is 75% driver, 15% tires, 5% suspension, 5% other


Well said above... The "nut-behind-the-wheel" is always the biggest influencing factor.


No Kidding.
I drove our "then new" 2015 Challenger at Willow Springs in April 2015. In turn 2, a long U shaped turn, I felt maxed out at 66-67 mph. I let an instructor drive the car with me in the passenger seat. He was doing 80 and the car seemed just as stable. For me, it felt as if I were at the limits of grip. I think he was able to have the increased speed since he entered the turn better with a better line and more speed.


Not being your car helps too! grin

Re: Hotchkis Challenger [Re: dfsmopars] #2453590
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I've riden in it twice, soo much fun! That car was dialed in and a fun little street car. My Charger suspension was rebuilt using some of their parts and hoping to make it live this summer.

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