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Re: Allen Johnson Factory Stock class [Re: theraif] #2414943
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Love it or hate it...... Rag on the intelligence of the Joe Average spectator all you want....... But it's hard to make an argument for the true viability of P/S when the racers in the class can't even muster enough enthusiasm(money?) to fill out a 16 car field at several of the events.

I still watch it, but there is no denying it has way less fan appeal than it used to.


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Re: Allen Johnson Factory Stock class [Re: theraif] #2414973
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I see the problem that most of us racers and spectators are stuck in the 60's and 70's and don't relate to new cars as race cars. I don't see the new stock class or any class with new cars being a savior for NHRA to bring in spectators . The line at the concession stand will be more interesting.


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Re: Allen Johnson Factory Stock class [Re: fast68plymouth] #2415017
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Originally Posted By fast68plymouth
Love it or hate it...... Rag on the intelligence of the Joe Average spectator all you want....... But it's hard to make an argument for the true viability of P/S when the racers in the class can't even muster enough enthusiasm(money?) to fill out a 16 car field at several of the events.

I still watch it, but there is no denying it has way less fan appeal than it used to.

It's one thing to not spend the money but something else when NHRA stacks the deck against you. Like HOW MANY times have they done this since the inception of PS? Dodge was even and ahead of the competition (Chevy) till this last fiasco of rules. They get an edge then the rug is pull out from under again. There never has been rule changes when GM was ahead, they said spend more and catch up or go home! Whatever GM wanted, yea ok, no problem. I really doubt Dodge ever complained about cost, why would they want an rpm rule when they knew that's what made them run, same with FI. Been the same way since the start in all the classes. Never been an even playing field.

Re: Allen Johnson Factory Stock class [Re: theraif] #2415057
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The problem with Pro Stock is that they are too refined. They never make a bad pass. The Dodge PS motor is within a couple of hundredths, but as refined as they are it might as well be light years. The days of someone pulling off an upset are long gone.

I do have some info that indicates Allen will be in a FSS Challenger next year. They only have 8 events......he's semi retired.....and, Chrysler is very interested in that venue, and AJ is one of the 'boys'. So don't be surprised when it happens.


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Re: Allen Johnson Factory Stock class [Re: theraif] #2415163
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I'm sure ELite will do the new Hemi stuff for FSS as well. Ray Barton is currently the man for the COPO stuff, hopefully no Mopars guys heads explode from that little tidbit....


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Re: Allen Johnson Factory Stock class [Re: theraif] #2416827
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I was pitted near Don Bowles at SCSN. Yes there is some big money in Factory Stock.

Re: Allen Johnson Factory Stock class [Re: theraif] #2417867
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I like watching Pro Stock cars run but I’ll never ever get close to a car like that for myself. There really is no interest in it for me and when 99.9% of the people I know who aren’t racers find out there cost, they laugh there asses off and ask a hundred “Why” questions. And I agree.
The lower classes is where I am at. It’s what I can afford. It’s what I do. It’s what I can relate to.
It is what interests me.

Re: Allen Johnson Factory Stock class [Re: Al_Alguire] #2418074
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Originally Posted By Al_Alguire
I'm sure ELite will do the new Hemi stuff for FSS as well. Ray Barton is currently the man for the COPO stuff, hopefully no Mopars guys heads explode from that little tidbit....

From what I heard, Chrysler wouldn't talk to him, gave the program to someone else, what a brain fart.

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Originally Posted By cudaman1969
Originally Posted By Al_Alguire
I'm sure ELite will do the new Hemi stuff for FSS as well. Ray Barton is currently the man for the COPO stuff, hopefully no Mopars guys heads explode from that little tidbit....

From what I heard, Chrysler wouldn't talk to him, gave the program to someone else, what a brain fart.


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Re: Allen Johnson Factory Stock class [Re: theraif] #2418297
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It was my understanding Mopar wanted Barton, but he didn't want to work for what they were willing to pay. shruggy


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Re: Allen Johnson Factory Stock class [Re: cudaman1969] #2418463
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Originally Posted By cudaman1969
From what I heard, Chrysler wouldn't talk to him, gave the program to someone else, what a brain fart.

Well there was a business side to this also, Jeg's sells a lot more Mopar parts than Allen does in his convenience stores.

That being said, FCA's lack of loyalty to Allen showed no class.

I did enjoy that the Johnson car was most always faster than the Elite Mopars.

Allen has said he got a lot of engineering support and Mopar parts.

Re: Allen Johnson Factory Stock class [Re: slantzilla] #2418507
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Originally Posted By slantzilla
It was my understanding Mopar wanted Barton, but he didn't want to work for what they were willing to pay. shruggy

I can see that happening, I guess GM didn't have a problem paying, TO BE AT THE TOP!

Re: Allen Johnson Factory Stock class [Re: 340Cuda] #2418510
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Originally Posted By 340Cuda
Originally Posted By cudaman1969
From what I heard, Chrysler wouldn't talk to him, gave the program to someone else, what a brain fart.

Well there was a business side to this also, Jeg's sells a lot more Mopar parts than Allen does in his convenience stores.

That being said, FCA's lack of loyalty to Allen showed no class.

I did enjoy that the Johnson car was most always faster than the Elite Mopars.

Allen has said he got a lot of engineering support and Mopar parts.


I was referring to Barton not Allen, but Chrysler did Allen real bad. Can't see an American owner doing that.

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