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#2414220 - 12/06/17 12:04 PM Re: E-body pilot cars at Mecum, which would you choose? [Re: jeff968]
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Challenger....multiple headlights, metal grille, better door panels and body lines......70 only...in 71 I would take either and be pretty happy.
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#2414224 - 12/06/17 12:09 PM Re: E-body pilot cars at Mecum, which would you choose? [Re: jeff968]
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Originally Posted By jeff968
Although the Challenger is my favorite it also has the most obvious day-2 addition. The blackout of the rear tail panel, something for T/As only, made 8 months later.


Beautiful car, and my choice. But for a high dollar car. those exhaust tips are sure jacked... tsk

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#2414230 - 12/06/17 12:22 PM Re: E-body pilot cars at Mecum, which would you choose? [Re: jeff968]
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Originally Posted By jeff968
Although the Challenger is my favorite it also has the most obvious day-2 addition. The blackout of the rear tail panel, something for T/As only, made 8 months later.





Are you sure?, pilot cars often received options/treatments that productions models never saw

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#2414238 - 12/06/17 12:34 PM Re: E-body pilot cars at Mecum, which would you choose? [Re: DAYCLONA]
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Originally Posted By DAYCLONA
Originally Posted By jeff968
Although the Challenger is my favorite it also has the most obvious day-2 addition. The blackout of the rear tail panel, something for T/As only, made 8 months later.





Are you sure?, pilot cars often received options/treatments that productions models never saw


I would guess we would have to see a photo of the car back in 1970 but most would agree that the 70 rear panel blackout was only original on T/As. And they didn't start production until March of 1970, 8 months later. I will certainly agree that it looks better! But that doesn't make it original....
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#2414266 - 12/06/17 01:34 PM Re: E-body pilot cars at Mecum, which would you choose? [Re: jeff968]
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the Challenger R/T is an A63 car, there are plenty of early R/T SE & R/T w/A63 cars that have an original black finish panel - the additional part number was probably axed early by the "bean counters" - it shouldn't have hood pins blush

"pilot" cars were built months before production started in August '69
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#2414276 - 12/06/17 01:48 PM Re: E-body pilot cars at Mecum, which would you choose? [Re: 6bblgt]
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Originally Posted By 6bblgt
the Challenger R/T is an A63 car, there are plenty of early R/T SE & R/T w/A63 cars that have an original black finish panel - the additional part number was probably axed early by the "bean counters" - it shouldn't have hood pins blush

"pilot" cars were built months before production started in August '69


I recall those rear panels being rough finish silver, astrotone, like the wheel center caps. this car looks black, like my T/As. But it is hard to say from the photos if the panel is there or if it is painted.
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#2414282 - 12/06/17 02:00 PM Re: E-body pilot cars at Mecum, which would you choose? [Re: jeff968]
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the original panel is there & the tips were a little better aligned before it went thru Mecum Kissimmee 1/2016 shruggy a few too many miles on a transporter?


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#2414291 - 12/06/17 02:17 PM Re: E-body pilot cars at Mecum, which would you choose? [Re: jeff968]
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#2414294 - 12/06/17 02:21 PM Re: E-body pilot cars at Mecum, which would you choose? [Re: tallzag]
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Originally Posted By tallzag
Rocket Restorations restored the Cuda...so Cuda up


You still like those guys... shruggy laugh2
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#2414311 - 12/06/17 02:53 PM Re: E-body pilot cars at Mecum, which would you choose? [Re: biggE]
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Originally Posted By biggE
I know the guy that ended up getting the Challenger in it's unrestored condition from the long time owner in the SF Bay Area. If I remember correctly the guy picked it up some time in the early 70's after it was used as a pace car at maybe the Pomona or Ontario raceway. Super cool and it had very nice original sheet metal with most all original parts. Original motor and he ended up getting the original trans from Ken Funk. Unfortunately he sold it for a pretty big number at the time to Steve Fox. At the time I thought he was crazy for selling it.


The Bay Area Owner bought the car from Big Willie who supposedly won it in a race. The car pimp that bought it then put it on the market. I offered 2X what he paid for it but he wanted more. So off to Steve Fox it went.

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#2414348 - 12/06/17 04:29 PM Re: E-body pilot cars at Mecum, which would you choose? [Re: jeff968]
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'Cuda...every time.
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#2414400 - 12/06/17 06:44 PM Re: E-body pilot cars at Mecum, which would you choose? [Re: jeff968]
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For convertibles in 1970, I prefer the Challenger...usually.

But I really don't care for longitudal stripes on the 1970 CHallengers and those gawd awful 14x6 skinny-[censored] Magnum 500 wheels makes Challengers look like a fat body builder w/toothpick legs.

So for these particular 'verts, I'll have to pick the 'Cuda.


Now in 1971, has to be the 'Cuda. Never a fan of 1971 challengers w/that grille and taillight treatment.

I guess if I was uber rich, I'd buy them both and put some decent 15" wheels/tires on the Challenger.
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#2414499 - 12/06/17 09:35 PM Re: E-body pilot cars at Mecum, which would you choose? [Re: ragtopdodge]
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I just put my 1971 Challenger convertible back in the garage,I sure hope it wasn't listening to you bashing it!
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#2414503 - 12/06/17 09:46 PM Re: E-body pilot cars at Mecum, which would you choose? [Re: jeff968]
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The 'Cuda for me. Never been a big fan of the Challenger.

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#2414676 - 12/07/17 10:42 AM Re: E-body pilot cars at Mecum, which would you choose? [Re: jeff968]
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Originally Posted By jeff968
Originally Posted By 6bblgt
the Challenger R/T is an A63 car, there are plenty of early R/T SE & R/T w/A63 cars that have an original black finish panel - the additional part number was probably axed early by the "bean counters" - it shouldn't have hood pins blush

"pilot" cars were built months before production started in August '69


I recall those rear panels being rough finish silver, astrotone, like the wheel center caps. this car looks black, like my T/As. But it is hard to say from the photos if the panel is there or if it is painted.


I saw the car at MCACN in November. Its the stamped panel not paint.
Though IIRC, it was painted dark argent. Looks black in my picture though too.
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#2414702 - 12/07/17 11:39 AM Re: E-body pilot cars at Mecum, which would you choose? [Re: jeff968]
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I usually prefer Challengers over Cudas, but I actually like that the Cuda is a little more understated (no stripe, plain colour) than the Challenger, so I'll pick the Plymouth.

That said, I'd happily take either one as they are both beautiful cars.

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#2414747 - 12/07/17 12:48 PM Re: E-body pilot cars at Mecum, which would you choose? [Re: jeff968]
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So is the white Cuda the one Ron Slobe had back in the 90's? I know his had an ultra low VIN

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#2415002 - 12/07/17 08:57 PM Re: E-body pilot cars at Mecum, which would you choose? [Re: hemi70se]
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'70 Cuda for me, but if it was a 1971??? It would be a Challenger!
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#2415106 - 12/08/17 05:24 AM Re: E-body pilot cars at Mecum, which would you choose? [Re: jeff968]
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I'll take the Challenger even with the jacked-up exhaust tips....
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#2415111 - 12/08/17 06:22 AM Re: E-body pilot cars at Mecum, which would you choose? [Re: jeff968]
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If you were giving me one of them, I'd take the Challenger. Always liked the Challenger over the 'Cuda.

That said, I am not a fan of convertibles at all. Just never liked the looks with the tops up.
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