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Re: SBM victor set up [Re: Jason B] #2415977
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Originally Posted By Jason B
Lol and there you Brett just posted the new motor PORN pictures LOL....

Guys people need to start working on this stuff we will never get anything made for us if nobody starts buying these heads. What else can you buy and run 9.0s with out of the box heads unported with a cast intake. Nothing wrong with heads or block it just needs someone to pay attention to detail.

We decided to take it this far just because nobody else has and someone needs to see what we have so now that I'm doing all the RD lets get some projects going!

You take a 408" motor mild cam with these heads out of the box cast intake in my opinion will make enough HP to take a 3000lb car 9.50s so I'm not sure why no one is doing this because we now have something similar to the Chevy guys. You can buy everything off the shelf and go race. We have already figured everything out for y'all so if you have any questions just ask!

All that just my opinion guys I just want to see more projects going we are looking forward to making good power with these bad ass Brett Miller heads
unfortunately I killed probably 10 sets of bearings.. and a bunch of other good parts on the way.. the issue with mine was 100% the blocks fault.. finally was able to get it squared away.. have approximately 24 passes in all or oil filters are beautiful.. before I was replacing bearings at 10 to 12 runs.. and never found a good oil filter.. there's another guy running around here with a Ritter block that is killing bearings to.. i

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Re: SBM victor set up [Re: 420duster] #2416013
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Maybe the guy over on W7-8-9 can get Mopar to give him the ok to start making some blocks soon

Re: SBM victor set up [Re: B3422W5] #2416027
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I agree on the 9.50 comment.. but as far as the heads being unproven I have to disagree. We no more took them out of the box put what cam we thought might work and used that BS intake Edelbrock provides for them and went 9.20s. Then we beat on it a little more and go 9.0s so I'm not sure how that's unproven we I am the only one trying to make them work. They flow better than any out of the box head that has ever been available to us and all everyone has done so far is complain about the price. It is what it is it's not cheap to race we all know this! Nobody says you have to use a Ritter block somebody take a R3 or hell even a stock block and put a set on see what happens. Unless people start working on the combination we will never know. We did it the way we thought was best so someone else needs to try another road.


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Re: SBM victor set up [Re: scottb] #2416028
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Are you still using a Ritter block..


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Re: SBM victor set up [Re: scottb] #2416030
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Originally Posted By scottb
Maybe the guy over on W7-8-9 can get Mopar to give him the ok to start making some blocks soon
Kent will do everything in his power to keep that R3 right where it's at.. if they were reproduce.it would hurt his investment.. and he knows people.. not a proven fact just a suspicion of mind..

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Re: SBM victor set up [Re: WHITEDART] #2416033
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I feel your pain brother I pray like hell its not the block... man we have looked in every place we can think of for any issues and can't find anything to say it's the block. The oiling system has been looked over more than a truck stop hooker lol..

Hopefully all goes well with this new direction we're going with the external oil pump custome pan and new crank. BTW way man love your car good looking ride and it hauls ass!! Keep beating on that thing those are some great numbers!!

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Re: SBM victor set up [Re: WHITEDART] #2416034
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Yes sir kinda married to it ...


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As far as Ritter is concerned he has always been very nice and offered to help in anyway possible my engine builder has been on the phone with him more than once discussing the oiling system making sure they were doing everything correct. So as far as I'm concerned he's ok in my book at least the guys trying to give us something good to use


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Re: SBM victor set up [Re: 420duster] #2416047
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Steve D from engine masters has Set of Victors on a pump gas 410 SB right now. Im watching it closely to see what they make on a street setup. He is even trying an RPM air gap manifold on them!! killer R&D if you ask me!!

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Originally Posted By Jason B
I agree on the 9.50 comment.. but as far as the heads being unproven I have to disagree. We no more took them out of the box put what cam we thought might work and used that BS intake Edelbrock provides for them and went 9.20s. Then we beat on it a little more and go 9.0s so I'm not sure how that's unproven we I am the only one trying to make them work. They flow better than any out of the box head that has ever been available to us and all everyone has done so far is complain about the price. It is what it is it's not cheap to race we all know this! Nobody says you have to use a Ritter block somebody take a R3 or hell even a stock block and put a set on see what happens. Unless people start working on the combination we will never know. We did it the way we thought was best so someone else needs to try another road.


Good to see that you are making good power with these heads and i sure agree about all the complaints,its almost funny how people are complaining about the cost of a set of heads only to go and buy a head that is worse out of the box then spending more money on porting,correcting and changing other hardware than it would have cost in the first place to go with the "right" head..

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Steve D from engine masters has Set of Victors on a pump gas 410 SB right now. Im watching it closely to see what they make on a street setup. He is even trying an RPM air gap manifold on them!! killer R&D if you ask me!!

I can’t seem to find this anywhere ?! Any link ?

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Thanks for all the info so far guys,keep it coming !

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Its on Instagram. They are making an episode of enginemaster soon with it

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We'll be using one of Peterson fluid's 2 or 3 stage external pump on our 434...the block needs to be carefully looked at for restrictions in the galleys.
I have no doubt the Victors OOTB are damn good, but I know they can also be better.
Very good casting though...


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Where are you guys bringing in the oil at on the Ritter block.. China wall or Factory location


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The head differently can make some good power I’ve looked at the numbers Brett has posted the 1 thing I see holding them back is if your looking at a head swap there not just bolt them on and go your going to build a new short block due to the valve angle I looked at them before I did my W9 heads the W9 are hard to beat for the cost of the casting compared to the victors either way your looking at a 1200-1700 rocket set up to due it the right way

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Originally Posted By scottb
The head differently can make some good power I’ve looked at the numbers Brett has posted the 1 thing I see holding them back is if your looking at a head swap there not just bolt them on and go your going to build a new short block due to the valve angle I looked at them before I did my W9 heads the W9 are hard to beat for the cost of the casting compared to the victors either way your looking at a 1200-1700 rocket set up to due it the right way


Yep. Headers are very expensive too. Only TTI currently makes a set and they are proud of them.
Then the lousy super victor most would run on these heads needs lots of work to make it any good.
By the time you figure almost 4 grand for a bare pair of heads, expensive rocker gear, headers, different pistons required, etc, its worth taking a good look at W8/9 which probably have more potential and might well be cheaper in the whole scheme of things.
Guys spouting off about people complaining should probably take a look at what ALL is involved here cost wise. I am far from a cheap skate, just have yet to see the " value for dollar" with these at the current price point
And yes, Indy head motor would be be WAY cheaper to do and not a real big difference in potential for what most guys would use the motor for.

I am seriously contemplating the new trick flow small block heads to stick on the 418 shortblock i have sitting around. Those LOOK like a good bang for the buck head. they will probably do what i am hoping they will. Until worthwhile blocks are ever built again, all this stuff is gonna be ultra low amount of guys anyhow.

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Re: SBM victor set up [Re: WHITEDART] #2416589
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The pump just came in the other day we haven't decided yet.. we have talked about feeding it through the oil filter location and moving the filter up to the front. Nothing set in stone yet, the china wall option is a good one also I'll keep ya posted on what we do.


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Full well aware of the cost involved bud. Fact remains they flow better than any out of the box head EVER offered. so say what you want I went 9.0s with unported heads and that lousy unported super Victor intake pretty damn good in my book.

And this was very early in our testing at 3500' completely gutted air!

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